At the same time you can turn that around and say that there are thousands of regular people (that didn’t have any power over what their country was doing and didn’t participate in it) who would be alive today and that aren’t because of two bombs… So it’s not that strong of an argument when you think about it…
Because the fucking Imperial government was trash. You think I’m defending Japan? Fuck no. But it’s a gistorical fact that the ONLY thing stopping them from surrendering at that point was their worry that surrendering would mean the US forving them to remove the emperor. What they didn’t know, and what the US refused to tell them, was that they didn’t give two shits about the emperor. In fact, their demand for Japan’s surrender included a statement that the Emperor would retain his place. That little note was only removed when the nuclear tests came back to the President, letting him know that the bombs would work.
that didn’t have any power over what their country was doing and didn’t participate in it
It’s funny how the people in the war fighting countries don’t have “any power” over what their country is doing. Nope. None at all. Nope. Can’t oppose your government, can’t fight your government, can’t oppose the war, can’t strike, can’t sabotage, can’t leave. Nope, nothing they can do. Poor, poor victims of war.
And that the people who actually lived innocently have to die in 10-fold numbers because those poor Japanese can’t be held accountable.
You’re saying with the point of view of someone in 2023. The Army would have shot people fighting against their government and that would have been the end of it. Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.
I never said it’s not dramatic, I said that your argument that “people are alive today because X” doesn’t hold much water because others died so they’re alive. Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.
The entire concept of “total war” is that civilians are involved. And you know, it was the japanese and germans who wanted to wage war that way.
in a couple of seconds?
Man you are right. Dying so quickly was way too humane, the americans were really too ethical. And the bomb survivors even got medical treatment! The Americans should have slowly, over years, killed and maimed and raped their way through Japan, like the japanese did in their occupied territories. And watch as all those civillians in the japanese occupied territories are treated the exact same way. You are absolutely right man. That would’ve been the right thing.
And the italians revolted against their facist handlers. And hung Mussolini upside down in Milano. That’s why italy got a rather okay end to the second world war.
And the poles managed to stage an uprising against the germans while fully under their control in a ghetto. But yeah, the poor japanese victims were powerless.
At the same time you can turn that around and say that there are thousands of regular people (that didn’t have any power over what their country was doing and didn’t participate in it) who would be alive today and that aren’t because of two bombs… So it’s not that strong of an argument when you think about it…
Oh and you know what Japan could have done to prvent the bombs? Fucking surrender.
Yes, because the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the ones deciding what the emperor was doing.
Yes, they actually were. By not doing any of the things I wrote.
They were ready to surrender, the US were fucking them around
Oh right, they were ready to surrender. You know what would’ve been nice? Fucking surrendering.
You know what would’ve been nice after the first nuclear bomb? Fucking surrendering.
You know what would’ve been nice after the second nuclear bomb? Fucking surrendering.
Instead, they tried a coup until the emperor finally grew some tiny balls.
Man people like you should have lived in the japanese occupied territories.
Because the fucking Imperial government was trash. You think I’m defending Japan? Fuck no. But it’s a gistorical fact that the ONLY thing stopping them from surrendering at that point was their worry that surrendering would mean the US forving them to remove the emperor. What they didn’t know, and what the US refused to tell them, was that they didn’t give two shits about the emperor. In fact, their demand for Japan’s surrender included a statement that the Emperor would retain his place. That little note was only removed when the nuclear tests came back to the President, letting him know that the bombs would work.
It’s funny how the people in the war fighting countries don’t have “any power” over what their country is doing. Nope. None at all. Nope. Can’t oppose your government, can’t fight your government, can’t oppose the war, can’t strike, can’t sabotage, can’t leave. Nope, nothing they can do. Poor, poor victims of war.
And that the people who actually lived innocently have to die in 10-fold numbers because those poor Japanese can’t be held accountable.
You’re saying with the point of view of someone in 2023. The Army would have shot people fighting against their government and that would have been the end of it. Japan (especially at the time) is also culturally very different from Western countries.
Yeah that excuses the 25 Million dead people and damn the US for stopping them. They just wanted to murder in peace!
I never said it’s not dramatic, I said that your argument that “people are alive today because X” doesn’t hold much water because others died so they’re alive. Go tell the family of those who died that their brother/sister/parent had to die to save people in another country.
I’m german and an anti fascist. The fuck do you think I’d do?
Tell me, what two days during WW2 did the Germans lose over 100k civilians uninvolved in the war in a couple of seconds? 🤔
The situations aren’t that comparable if we’re being honest with ourselves.
The entire concept of “total war” is that civilians are involved. And you know, it was the japanese and germans who wanted to wage war that way.
Man you are right. Dying so quickly was way too humane, the americans were really too ethical. And the bomb survivors even got medical treatment! The Americans should have slowly, over years, killed and maimed and raped their way through Japan, like the japanese did in their occupied territories. And watch as all those civillians in the japanese occupied territories are treated the exact same way. You are absolutely right man. That would’ve been the right thing.
So you take responsibility for all decisions taken by your government then?
I’ll just ignore the ridiculous bit after that.
Lots of people protested OEF and OIF and the US famously stopped the invasion because it’s citizens asked them to.
And the italians revolted against their facist handlers. And hung Mussolini upside down in Milano. That’s why italy got a rather okay end to the second world war.
And the poles managed to stage an uprising against the germans while fully under their control in a ghetto. But yeah, the poor japanese victims were powerless.