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The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
I agree. I don’t think we’re there yet, but next time the they give people another reason to leave the Lemmy/kbin ecosystem will be even more appealing. Simply the app and dev community here is really exploding.
“I like the way ‘namffuH’ thinks!”
It won’t die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work… but they won’t be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It’s a cycle it seems.
It won’t die. It will just hollow out.
The result is still basically the same IMHO. It’s like saying “it won’t die, it will just turn into a zombie” … sure it’ll still move, but it’s dead inside and rotting on the outside either way, devoid of the life and soul it once had.
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It’s just… idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That’s all. Life continues here, life continues there
Honestly I’m happy with a slow death than a big freaking one. A humongous explosion is not always a good thing lol.
Enshittification will one day kill Lemmy. Somehow.
And we’ll be elsewhere.
Lemmy is open-source software. If the project root starts doing something stupid or gets abandoned, it can just be forked by someone else and it will live on.
I doubt it. Only few people left and they’ll just get a bunch of new people in to replace the lost ones. It’s just a little dent in their statistics.
That‘s right. Without the protests, i probably would nit have been aware of the fediverse existence
I can’t tell if it’s just cognitive bias on my part but I feel like the content and discussion has gotten even worse on Reddit since the protests.
Idk if it will ever go away. Digg is still around.
I deleted all my Reddit accounts the day sync died and never looked back. I’d rather spend my time helping to build something better.
This place will be dead pretty soon. Going to lost about 80% of y’all going back to reddit. Same thing happened with Elon buying Twitter (good move btw) when all the ideologues went to Mastodon for a weekend.
This place is a huge hugbox for far left redditors, but does it really offer anything that reddit doesn’t already offer? No.
Geez, you trolls are so pathetic.
I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It’s nice.
Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.
Maybe it doesn’t matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don’t fit back together anymore.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
I hope we all win. I miss Reddit. There was a more diverse range of communities that matched my interests. My list is subscribed communities here is growing but some are dead.
That will grow over time and many are. I’m finding there is increasing engagement and comments on many posts and this engagement should breed more engagement.
I don’t need to win or anything I gave up on Reddit. What’s funny is that I donate to Lemmy and never ever bought Reddit premium.
great comment
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
It’s not dumb. It’s the canary in the coal mine. It’s showing that people don’t actually give a shit and will continually subject themselves to more and more abuse rather than simply moving to a new platform.
And it’s showing this to other corporations who continue to enshittify the internet.
Imo it is dumb that media always frames anything happening like a sports event. This binary win or lose narrative rarely if ever captures the complexity of a situation. It’s the strongest in the US where sensationalism is striving to become an art form due to the two party system. When there are only two competing sites politics can quickly feel like a sports event. And democracy dies to lack of actual discussion and lack of options.
Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
Yeah, I don’t mind that the majority stays on Reddit. I miss the old, tighter communities and conversations. When you couldn’t predict the top 2-3 top level comments because it’s not all jokes/memes, all the time.
Lemmy is still young, just needs some time and work to get it’s shit together and then it’ll be great! Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if various extremist groups end up setting up their own lemmy instances. The whole point of the decentralisation is you can’t stop them from doing that. I doubt the big instance will connect with those instances though. We might end up with a sort of alternate mini-fediverse for various groups that don’t get accepted into the main one.
This is also your solution if main instances start getting too popular and you don’t like them anymore. Set up your own instance and disconnect from the rest. The main selling point of lemmy is you always keep some control over the platform.
Yeah the fediverse feels more of a game that runs only on personal servers you join and less of a central server game that everyone joins. Lemmy is more counter strike and Reddit is more world of Warcraft
As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
That’s quite the irony since there are Lemmy communities that originate from subreddits that actually got banned on Reddit, for being too toxic even by Reddit mod’s standards.
Like that recent drama about lemmy.world defederating from a hardcore communist instance.
Dead right, 100% agreed.
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn’t understand what was happening and 99% wouldn’t care. Reddit was always going to “win” in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don’t know or care whether the reddit “experience” has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it’s more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That’s no longer the case.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about “well are there any good reddit alternatives?”
The answer will be “there is now, and it’s called lemmy.” And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn’t beat us.
At the beginning I was going to Reddit on and off. Currently, I just stick to Lemmy. Also “Sync for Lemmy” made me incredibly happy.
Yes they did win.
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Huh. Funny you should say that. I keep saying I like the Lemmy culture better and don’t want it to be like Reddit.
Username checks out…
To be honest I didn’t really care about the API thing because I used the web interface anyway. But the fact that they had this outrage from users and their answer was “LOL who cares” made me leave.
In the light of Twitter shitshow and how one person can ruin a platform it makes sense to look into more decentralized services.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I’m not going back to reddit, there’s simply no need.
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
Sadly, I still have to go back to Reddit since it’s the only way to get information for certain niche communities
Why haven’t you created those communities here and go post over there that they exist outside Reddit?
Just because you create a niche community in Lemmy, doesn’t mean you’ll get enough people to help answer your questions. It’s hard to get more people into a niche community. And don’t forget that most people online are lurkers. Even if a place looks like they have a lot of subscribers, most of them don’t actually post/comment.
Oh i know, most of the subs i modded were tiny. But if you want to move why mot see if others want to join?
As the saying goes, “a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
How else will those communities thrive off reddit if users like you don’t start or participate in them elsewhere?
I never said that you shouldn’t participate in new communities in Lemmy.
- The person said, “I still have to go back to Reddit since it’s the only way to get information for certain niche communities”
- A person replied saying why not just make the community here? (Though community could have already been made, but small or inactive)
- If you’re looking for an answer for something right now, you’ll do better asking somewhere more active. Though of course you can / should ask in both places.
Extreme example? Acquaintance asked a question in !gayfisting@lemmynsfw.com and got no answers. Will more likely get more answers in /r/Gayfisting because it has 37K members. That is a niche community.
I haven’t really been back since my 3rd party of app shutdown. It wasn’t some big moral protest on my part. I just have no easy access to a good app for it now.
Haven’t been back since sync left. Now that I just got sync beta for lemmy, I’m happy again.
I think I’ve skimmed the F1 subreddit like twice since the protests began. I’m done with Reddit. Not just because of RIF but on desktop too. Lemmy gets better every day as well
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they “won” was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don’t need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
I was a 100% lurker there and they lost me too. I had no impact on their content but they still lost another person when my 3rd party app stopped working
Yeah exactly like look at this post with 300+ comments on lemmy, once you get past a threshold it’s just more noise.
They were always going to win. It’s their platform. They can do whatever they want. But… They lost my attention and paid subscription. I now only go to Reddit when I’m looking for something I can’t find elsewhere. It used to be my favorite platform.
Reddit’s main advantage is the historic number of contents and knowledge posted by their users.
It will take decades for this advantage to shift, if even possible, to similar type like Lemmy or other platforms.
This can play out in other ways. Search platforms start indexing open platforms and more links start making reference to these platforms.
Decades? Nah, but years yeah for sure
I notice no mention of Lemmy userbase expansion…
Because it doesn’t matter to reddit. They did the math on how many would leave and how much money they’d make pushing everyone else to their app. They came out on top and will be fine without us
That spreadsheet is how they make all their decisions, including things like “should we platform dangerous misinformation during a pandemic?” or “how many domestic terrorists do we allow per reactionary sub?”
When actual morality is cast aside in order to maximise profits, issues like “disappointing users” don’t stand a chance.
But the article has a pretty shallow definition of “won”, meaning “they put an end to the protests”. Given they have complete control over the platform, that was always going to be the most likely outcome.
The cost of putting down that protest is harder to see from the outside though.
Would they have “won” if they lost half their users in the process? Would they have “won” if the protest wiped millions off their value before their IPO? Have they “won” because they added another straw and the camel is still standing?
But ultimately, who cares what Gizmodos take is? They’re a for-profit media company publishing media that looks out for their own interests, which in this case is “it’s futile to try and hurt a company’s profits”, no different to any other neoliberal media empire.
Exactly. Sure, some people left and a few of those migrated here. But as a percentage of overall users of Reddit it just doesn’t matter. Personally, I don’t care. I am happy here. But there seem to be a lot of people who are still angry at their ex, so to speak. That only leads to bitterness, because the ex has moved on and it turned out you never mattered to them.
You’re wrong. Anger doesn’t lead to bitterness. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
The user base boost means lemmy will very likely be viable next time there’s a major fuck up and people go look for alternatives
If it happens they might start losing speed
That’s how you know its a paid article.
Reddit corporate claims victory
LOL, fucking pathetic.
Platforms don’t rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass to sustain itself so from here on out it will only grow. It surpassed the danger zone where engagement wouldn’t be enough to bring people back. On top of that, the best lemmy clients already blow Reddit’s official client out of the water. Now all that needs to happen is for more communities to grow.
Is there something in particular that makes you think that?
General submissions have tons of comments, so there are actual discussions going on, motivating users to check back often. Also (at least for now), the discussions have less noise.
Content-based subreddits (like instantkarma, holdmyfries) where there is minimal discussion can be easily replicated with a bot, until organic submissions reach a critical mass.
That leaves community based subreddits, but when Reddit aggravates the community leaders they can easily move (like piracy did).
I am eagerly anticipating their article on MySpace.
And to learn whether such articles come about via financial incentives or death threats.
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit “won”. They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
And yet, reddit is still being used with pretty much identical traffic to before all of this (the “exodus” is essentially a rounding error when you compare reddit traffic variation to other platforms’ traffic variation, a statistical variation that can be ignored), moderators are still moderating, and this entire debacle will be almost entirely forgotten in a few months. Except now they don’t have competing phone clients, they can shove their nft crap and ads down redditors’ throats, and the IPO won’t be affected by this at this rate.
I thought it would be different. I thought there was no way the majority of reddit would find it so hard to leave. It’s harder to leave other platforms when they prioritize you connecting with your own peers, but reddit? A news aggregator with comments? People simply didn’t care enough to leave.
How’s it identical? I know I’m not alone based on what I see here in that I haven’t been there since the API shit down. Fuck 'em
Lemmy has been an amazing replacement since this bullshit and now the good apps are coming over. You lose, Reddit.
Welcome to the other digg effect.
I don’t see how reddit “won”. They may have gotten their way by raking devs and users over the coals, but they didn’t win. They got their way. Now it remains to see if any service will usurp them in the future.
Sure they won. Their calculations were correct. They lost some users, but not enough to hurt them
Do you have actual stats for “not enough to hurt them”?
Because that sounds like something only reddit staff would actually know. It’s not like they have a legal obligation to release before and after stats about number of users, average engagement, etc.
They lost users who wanted to talk, now they can optimize their algorithms for users who want to stare at ads.
If reddit won, then why am I here?
Reddit doesn’t want you and me. They want zombie-scrolling. They want to be TikTok when the TikTok ban comes.
It’s because you won too. However, the people who still remain on Reddit are the ones who truly lost. Their UX got sacrificed so that Huffman could get some more money.
IMO, Reddit kept the people who didn’t care about third party apps or the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media. Everyone who did care, left. And that’s not really a victory.
The fact that capitalism looks at it like winning against a customer is just gross.
Reddit kept the people who didn’t care about third party apps
Which is important to note is like 90%+ of users, most of whom never participate and just consume content.
I felt many of the protesters had no clue how unpopular (by numbers) 3rd party clients were. The reason they seemed so prevalent in discussions is because reddit users who use 3rd party clients are power users who actually participate versus everyone else who just browses. These protests showed the ugly reality that they were always a small vocal minority.
“the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media”
Bingo. From a financial standpoint reddit doesn’t care about how it used to be. Being generic social media is worth more money to them
Reddit exists to make money, so they definitely won
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I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I’m enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
Leaving/left Facebook for Mastodon back a couple of years ago when the whistle blower revealed their dialing of the “outrage algorithm” and the true width and depth of data capture. This was when (and why) they rebranded to Meta. I’ve only gotten a few of my FB folks to give Fedi a try, but I’m effing loving it. Lemmy and Mastodon are growing and I am here for it. This is what social media should be and how it should work. I’ve found so many awesome people through Mastodon I would have never found on FB or Twitter. The cool things I’ve seen on Lemmy I probably would have never seen on Reddit. I just feel more connected on here than when I was jumping from corporate walled garden to corporate walled garden.
Reddit became too toxic for me around 2014. That’s when they started replacing default subs with shit like r/sports, trying to court the most general audience possible, then forcing everyone to exist in the same space and expecting it to go well.
Same thing happened with Digg. Digg went from tech-news to general-news around 2007… 2008 we hit a US election year and the site became a cesspool. The Diggnation Podcast was hosted by the site’s founders, they had to talk about the top 10 digg posts each week… they repeatedly had to feign interest in UFO and Ron Paul stories at that point.
