What’s with all the downvotes?
Saw a few threads get blasted, and a de-federation post - did I miss the drama?
Some drama is just down to their politics (authoritarian Marxist Leninist in the main), and some relating to their moderation based on politics (bans for users posting articles critical of China, allegedly). You should be able to search and find recent treads, here is one I still had a tab open from yesterday:
https://kbin.social/m/til@lemmy.world/t/171975/TIL-lemmy-ml-is-a-pro-authoritarian-CCP-shill-instance
Another part of this is people’s concerns about whether their politics influences their development of Lemmy.
Nobody likes tankies. With good reason.
Lemmygrad is a tankie instance
That, I suppose.
But, they’re manuputing content, posting propaganda, brigading the votes in every thread.
Go read their comments, it’s a real classy group.
Ha, here’s a reply I got from their moderator:
Go and eat shit fed to you by your US masters as Europe crumbles, you pathetic eunuch.
https://lemm.ee/comment/898920
Their most active user also posts “news” and “politics” all over Lemmy, all day, every day.
A tankie stubs his toe and blames the CIA
nobody here gives a shit if anything is newsworthy. Or true. Or propaganda. This place is a shit show.
I mean what did you expect, you came to their place and insulted them.
Tbf, they deserved it. What I said is true. They are posting lies and propaganda all over Lemmy.
I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.
Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it’s because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don’t know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)
I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”
Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU
I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s a been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse?
I won’t be playing the game of what-aboutism. Authoritarianism is bad no matter where it appears. It exists on both sides of the political aisle, and it should be rebuked every time, regardless of how prevalent you think it is on your team.
@JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton
Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?
How about a Hard-Leftist that crafted, then got passed a law that restricts the choices of the hard-right?
Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?
I’m not saying the Left is perfect, but I call bullshit on the equivocation of the 2 sides.
Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?
Sure. Last year Biden issued an executive order to enshrine gender transition for children across the entire nation. The vast majority of Americans oppose “gender affirming care” for children. In red states, support is even lower. Biden should have left this up to individuals, parents, and states, but instead decided that his and his party’s values should be shoved down the throats of the entire nation.
Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?
Here is one mass shooter. Aiden Hale was trans, and killed students and teachers at a christian school. Aiden wrote a manifesto, but the police are yet to release it.
Here is another. Kimbrady Carriker is a BLM and pride supporting, cross-dressing, mass-shooter.
Here is a “non-binary” shooter.
Here is another trans shooter.
I fully expect you to play the game of “but they’re not REEEEEAL leftists,” and I don’t care. I’m not claiming that both sides are equivalent. I’m saying that authoritarianism is always bad, no matter where it appears.
Interesting how you neglected to bring up all of the straight, white, male, conservative, cisgender mass shooters that outweigh LGBT/BLM shooters by several orders of magnitude. Acting like the issue doesn’t skew drastically in one direction is disingenuous at best.
How do I upvote you more than once?
Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I’ve seen.
I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad’s outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.
Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.
Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.
Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!
