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It’s true that it’s not always about the money, but it’s probably never about a ping pong table
Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I’m no good at ping pong.
If they put in any kind of clackball table, I’m demanding noise canceling headphones and my own office.
It also depends on whether it’s about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we’re talking a fully remote job.
Getting a free pingpong table isn’t a bad bonus! I’d prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh
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It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly.
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It’s a bad bonus if you don’t have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once…
I’m all about the air hockey table.
Indeed.
It’s telling that “basic dignity” or “managers who aren’t dicks” didn’t make the list.
Yeah. In my experience, “A manager who doesn’t suck” is most of the list.
Source: I’ve been the manager who did suck, and the one who doesn’t. I have some data points.
I wanted a foosball table dammit!
Dammit, you beat me to it!
My last job had a pingpong table. We’d even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they’d see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren’t allowed to use.
The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I’ve gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I’ve never actually seen it.
My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting.
It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings.
It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life.
It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times.
Eh. Toxic work culture can drive people away regardless of the pay. Obviously some people suck it up but not everyone. Ultimately the goal is to treat employees well all around. Good pay, benefits, and work culture will keep people happy.
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There is a bit of truth here. Toxic culture and out of touch management will make people walk as well.
Thing is, there might just be a wad of cash big enough to make me put up with that against my health interests.
Fuck ping pong tables though. No one left a company because they didn’t have enough fucking table sports. If you think they are then you are the problem. Exit interview your own fucking arse.
Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you’re looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008 went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture, so by the time of that interview I already seen more than enough shitty companies, but I remember that interview in particular because the guy started making fun of me, laughing at me
11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again
He had to laugh at you, otherwise he would have cried because he knew you were right.
Lol he probably just thought you sucked at ping pong.
One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people’s decision, then build as good a culture as he could.
And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.
I had a meeting years ago with my company’s CTO about my salary. He kicked off the meeting by saying “you care a lot more about what you make than I do” which prompted me to ask for 50% more than I had been planning to ask for. He agreed to it without argument. TBF he was a coke addict married to the daughter of the company’s owner and within six months he’d been divorced and fired, but I got to keep my salary.
Was his name Keith?
Phillip. Of course, we knew him better by the name his eventually ex-wife gave him on Facebook: “Ol’ Three Inches Two Minutes”.
“Man, my job pays horribly and the benefits barely cover anything, but they have a ping-pong table so it’s honestly a tough call.”
I struggle to understand how someone could seriously write something like that question without a lack of self-awareness so dire that a walk to the kitchen would come with a near-death experience. It just can’t be real.
That was beautifully put.
I think the truth is that it assuming it’s the latter may not be enough. But the first two are even less likely. Additional responsibilities WITHOUT a raise is very, very unlikely to be what anyone was waiting for to stick around.
This is what I came to say. Good management will make people stay for a long time with less pay.
But obviously HR doesn’t get that lmao.
yeah, the "not necessarily pay is accurate, but the “right” answer being ping-pong table pivots things from “ok, they have some understanding” to “incredibly tone deaf”.
I mean not enough ping-pong tables could be reason to leave for a PE teacher or something
As a professional in this field, top reasons would be…
- Dissatisfaction with pay
- Limited/No career progression
- Dissatisfaction with environment/culture
- Dissatisfaction with management
- Poor work-life balance
- Poor job design/expectations of role
- Poor taining quality/knowledge management
- Inadequate tools/systems
Edit: I should also point out we have about half a dozen ping-pong tables scattered around my work and our turnover figures were bang on average for annual benchmarking against the sector. I consider the average too high, though, and will be targeting better retention over this year. We’ll need at least double the amount of ping-pong tables.
I don’t see pizza party or ping pong table on that list so you’re obviously not a professional.
A real professional knows employees want pizza parties instead of higher pay and they want more responsibilities with the same pay!
:P
Pizza party solves everything!!
Or…a lemon party!
But I have no money and lemons are expensive! If only there was a way we could acquire lemons without paying for them… Anyone know where I could find a lemon tree?
Consult our mutual friend, the Lemon Stealing Whore
My top reasons for leaving a job:
- Too little pay
- Too many responsibilities
- The possibility of career progression
The three Big Nos. My optimal work-life balance is 0.1-99.9. If they trust me to be able to do even one thing, that pay better be huge.
Almost all of these applied to the last job I left, so I guess it’s pretty spot on.
you really a pro, I’m looking for other jobs precisely because of 1 and 2, even though the rest are all great at my current job
Obviously right? I mean this post is definitely a joke
What field?
Strategic Workforce Planning. It’s a bit different to HR in that there’s a lot of data analysis. Typically we would use data to identify retention issues (reasons, areas, seasonality, etc) and figure out how to improve it. We’d then hand that over to HR to
implementfuck up.
There’s only been two reasons for me to quit a job: shitty pay and shitty people in charge.
Sounds like this company has both.
Sounds like you need a Ping Pong table.
AND additional responsibilities!
Somebody might also have a case of mondayitis.
I believe you’d get your ass kicked 'round here for saying that.
It’s true, most people don’t care about money.
They care about what money can help them buy, like another day of survival.
It was never about the money. It was about maslovs heirarchy of needs; which, at the very bottom, is a foosball table.
There’s two kinds of money: Enough money, and more than enough money.
If you don’t have enough money, that’s all that matters. A nicer day at work means very little.
Once you have enough money, more money matters very little. Now it’s about enjoying work etc.
Ah but what is enough money for you or I is not enough money for the bigwigs. And since they’re obviously more important, as they’re at the top, we have to have sure they get enough money even if that means you don’t.
But they’ll get you a ping pong table so you can stop thinking about how you don’t know what you’re going to feed your family tonight
This is brilliant!
Tangentially related, I heard another about enough money:
When you already have enough money, do you really need 2x enough money?
As a person with enough money, yes, I would love double my income.
Your baseline can change.
You may be fine with $1000 a month. You have everything you need: food, bed, apartment, electricity, etc.
Now you get a new job and have $2000. You try out more expensive food options and realize you like them better. You move into a bigger apartment and start enjoying the freedom.
You may never wanted this if you didn’t try it, but now that you have, you don’t want to go back. You may not have noticed that your mental and physical health was degraded due to your previous living conditions until you get better after raising your standards.
I interpreted enough as really enough, when you are really well off and can afford the good stuff/vacations/good cars whatever.
But you are right. The definition of enough changes through ones lifetime quite a bit. I would have a really hard time going back to broke (student).
I’m like mid-career and I can’t afford vacations. There’s always some other priority for the money and I would feel guilty for spending it on something that is by nature temporary and ephemeral.
That question isn’t the best way to frame it, because yeah… 2x “enough” is pretty reasonable. That’s still well within the high returns of happiness phase.
Do you need 1000x enough, though? Or 1000x that? I’d love a high end espresso maker, or a nicer car, or to be able to afford to take more time off, but there comes a point where more is just pointless.
None of these answers is correct, it’s simply not a multiple choice question.
For some the pay is important, others need a bit of distraction like a ping pong table.
Everybody has their own needs, the biggest HR loser is the one that fits all employees in the same square.
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A ping pong table? What for? So HR can punish you when you use it?
seriously，who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It’s like a decoration to remind you you’re not having fun.
You can only enjoy the perks during your 45 minute lunch break. Food or fun, your choice …
Where do you live, where taking breakes is frowned upon? That’s crazy.
Here in Denmark, I’m being reminded to take breakes and go home. I have been asked if I’m sure it’s not hurting my work/life balance, before getting overtime approved.
It’s also common to stay at work after hours to hang out, if there’s a nice place to do that.
I know that the American capitalism thing is a meme at this point, but working in software, every company I’ve worked for isn’t against you taking breaks or doing whatever as long as things get done. I’ve played foosball with my VP during normal hours before, and it was slightly awkward but good fun.
The usual issue I see in my industry is that you constantly accumulate more responsibilities without any corresponding increase in pay. It’s especially bad for morale when you see someone leave, and their responsibilities get distributed to the team, but no one gets any part of the old person’s salary as a raise to make up for the added responsibilities even when the higher ups refuse to hire a replacement since you’re all clearly handling it fine.
this sounds like a sci-fi novel
Same in my office in the UK, I got asked if I was not taking enough breaks or doing work outside of work hours as I was doing more than they expected as my manager was worried about me burning out, but having a chill atmosphere and a nice place to hang out and chill in the office just means that I can be more productive and happier at work so it’s a win-win… A lot of HR types don’t realise that it takes both a nice office in both material and culture to make people productive and just go for the former which has the lower effect of the two when used alone.
Ok, calm down there, commie. Maybe you’d better go check in with your “family” and your “adequate housing”. The rest of us are here to make money… For other people.
My guess is USA or UK
Source: live in USA. Taking breaks is seen as being lazy. As is taking days off when your sick.
I’ve been told multiple times to take more sick leave.
Usually when I come back from sick leave, I’ve been told I should have taken a day more to recover fully. But after days in bed, I just really want to start doing something, even if I’m tired.
That’s nice and all, but staying after hours to hang out sounds awful. I don’t want to befriend those losers, I want to get on with my life. They can all rot in hell for all I care, I’d sell them out in a heartbeat.
This is so true, and I don’t even have a pingpong table at work
I had this argument with a boomer HR consultant and she just doubled down, even though I explained that neither I nor my colleagues, give two hoots about fussball or team building. Our position is a resounding “fuck you pay me” but oh no - boomer knows best.
My then gf now wife moved in with me and my employer wouldn’t cover her under the insurance. I made it clear that this was important. They wouldn’t back down. So got a new job. During the exit interview I repeated what I told them. It was only about the health insurance. HR tried to get me to talk smack about my manager, a guy I actually liked. I praised him and again told them that this was only about insurance.
Told my manager about what they did on the way out the door.
Questions like these make me wonder if large capitalists actually live in an alternate universe but through some time and space shenanigans they are still here. There’s just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it’s a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.
There’s just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it’s a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.
Of course there is: they want to implement doublethink. It’s a deliberate attempt to make workers not to pursue their own rational interest when it conflicts with corporate profits.
I’m sorry to say but psychopaths walk among us every day, you just need to play the game, until you find a better gig
You gotta have hr (the worker who defends the bosses interests) on your side if you wanna drop $300 on a ping pong table rather than raises.
Raises cost $30,000. That’s why they prefer the ping pong table.
Just calculate the equivalent drop in working hours required to get a reasonable hourly rate, then spend the difference in time playing ping pong.
They are either people in advantageous positions that benefit from this or people that are stupid enough to think they will one day be the rich benefiters of this so why should they shoot their future self in the foot right? Goes hand in hand with people that are stupid enough to keep voting right because they advocate for the poor so at some point surely something will change.
Ping Pong table ? Are they serious ?!? We had a PS5 in the meeting room for ~4 month an no one ever touched it. I don’t go to work to have a fun time, I go to do my job, then leave and have a fun somewhere else. More correct answers for retaining employees:
- give them tasks they are interested in
- give them perspective for developement (promotions, raise, mobility, etc)
- value their contributions and support them moraly (you want to know your managers and colleages got your back)
- of course more money ! Or alternatively more freetime !
Absolutely correct. I always wonder when I see such reports where HR comes up with their completely stupid notion that work is not about earning money.
Well, it’s not just the money obviously, but a lot of HR takes that to the convenient extreme that “the money doesn’t matter”.
It also changes based on the compensation amount. Someone making $300k/year may feel less obsessed with a raise versus someone making $50k/year.
Someone making $300k/year may feel less obsessed with a raise versus someone making $50k/year.
I would not bet a penny on this…
Incorrect right answer a air hockey table you don’t want money you want to play the Foosball
Yes! My thoghts exactly! I am an addict to foosball. Anything to enable my adiction is worth it! I have 3 tables at home already (all Mimic free) and am able to play 2 games at the same time. /s
Foosball is a four person game I’ll die on that hill. And not even because I suck at defence (as such, I do plenty of that mid-field and forward) but because the game isn’t about frantically grabbing handles. So yes air hockey is an excellent addition.
Air hockey is so fun even if I’m terrible at it
Air hockey is so fun even if I’m terrible at it
One of my previous jobs had an employee exercise room. Some people used it and management didn’t like that so they said we’re not allowed to use it during our shift and only after hours. It was a government position so we weren’t allowed to be in the building before or after our shift.
These places only use them to advertise to new employees how “friendly” they are.
More correct answers for retaining employees:
- Have managers that aren’t oblivious idiots
- Have even higher-ups that aren’t oblivious idiots
- Don’t treat employees like easily replaceable money-eating parasites
Yeah, often when an employee leaves it’s about the lack of ping-pong table.
“Yes, boss, I’m leaving because I’m tired of playing ping-pong on unoccupied morgue tables, you really should’ve bought a proper ping pong table instead”
Never quit a job over lack of ping pong tables.
Unless of course your job is to be a ping pong ball tester, in which case you may not be getting supported with the necessary tools to perform your job successfully.
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When I worked at a soul-crushing insurance job, we were given an event where the bosses served us pancakes. That was right after we were forced to celebrate bosses’ day and watch our bosses open gifts that the suck-ups got them. I was able to quit without notice shortly after and it felt so goddamn good.
I’ve never left a company because of money. I have left because the bullshit they put me through wasn’t worth the money. That’s not just being funny either. I’m okay with being under-compensated if the environment is positive, managers are friendly and flexible, and it actually feels like our sister teams have similar goals and we’re not working against each other.
I agree with this, with a caveat. I’m ok with being underpaid compared to industry standard, to a certain extent. However, I’m not ok with being underpaid compared to other colleagues doing similar work for the same employer.
There are so many systems/programs/policies that promise to do that verry thing that I wonder if their trying to pretend to improve rather than actually doing so. It doesnt work, just be a miserable failure of a cult.
Edit: genuine compassion is possable, you just gotta wade through the BS others are trying to sell your employer.
I agree with this, with a caveat. I’m ok with being underpaid compared to industry standard, to a certain extent. However, I’m not ok with being underpaid compared to other colleagues doing similar work for the same employer.
This is true but still not the right answer… it’s not always about the money
IT’S ABOUT THE METS BABY, LET’S GO METS, GONNA GET A HOMERUN, LOVE THE METS! LET’S GO METS!
Now give me a raise so I can afford to see the METS BABY YEAH THE METS
You got it buddy! A big raise cause you’re gonna want to get hotdogs and beer baby!
