The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.
The really shocking thing here is that 31% of Republicans are still aware of reality enough to understand that Biden won legitimately.
Those 30% will still vote R, even after knowing that they have been lied to by the republicans.
When republicans voters call others “cucks”, you know it’s all a projection.
They’ve largely stopped using “cuck” as an insult since the high mark of their movement involved a guy wearin’ horns.
Or they’re just embarrassed to admit what they really think.
Are they capable of shame? Seems like they revel in the absolute worst behavior possible.
The Republican Party has become a doctrinaire anti-American organization; wholly subservient to the international fascist movement.
Why would any loyal American patriot be a member of it?
The Republicans stand against what America actually is.
The USA is a multicultural society. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is a leader in science; including the understanding of our planet’s climate. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is loyal to its international allies. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is committed to freedom of speech and of the press. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is a leader in technology; including the development of clean energy. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is a secular society, in which people of different religions can meet as equals in the marketplace of ideas. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is a capitalist economy; in which businesses may prosper without having to bend the knee to leaders’ personality-cults or their ideological doctrine. The Republicans are against that.
The USA is an educated society; with free schooling for all, and with some of the best universities in the world. The Republicans are against that.
In all of these ways, the Republicans have endorsed anti-Americanism — opposition to what the USA actually is, its actual strengths and virtues.
Great response
Then it’s urgent that you guys find a way so that there’d be more than two big parties, or the D are going to rot in the same direction as the R have already.
There’s no reason that has to be true, but a multi-party system enabled by ranked-choice or approval voting would be better
You’d need radical changes to the constitution. Good luck getting any amendments through today.
Actually there is. I’m just really lazy to write long answers for a change, and after searching for my glasses in panic for 2.5 hours even more.
Ripoblus and Dimoks (TIE Fighter is my favorite game) are both eclectic parties, so actual ideology doesn’t matter much. They flatten many dimensions in such a way that people having not much in common with each other - say, those for legalizing marijuana and those for student debt subsidies, - ally with each other, and their enemies for prohibition and no subsidies respectively do the same.
There is no particular common ideological identity which would make an eclectic party not follow suit of its only competitor turning into brownshirt flatearther Christian Jihadists or whatever, and it only has to be marginally better.
EDIT: I like ranked choice too, only I want to have an option of downvote there. Other than that - sortition is cool. The former solves the problem of only the two biggest parties surviving, the latter solves the problem of the majority always trumping the minority. They are not compatible, so it’s something to decide for every separate problem.
Upvote for Tie Fighter reference, I never caught that before. Is it worth a replay? I loved it when I was a kid but idk if it aged well. (X-wing Alliance aged very well fyi, especially with the XWA Upgrade.)
I’m starting to put together citations to go with this list if anyone wants to contribute.
now do the % of repubs who think the earth is 5,000 years old. or the % that think russia is our ally.
It’s scary when there’s an entire echochamber yelling nonsense at the top of their lungs. How is America supposed to recover with this incessant Fox News and even worse OAN propaganda?
The obvious solution is to outlaw intentionally lying in the guise of a news show. Make FOX etc., have to broadcast a banner that says, “THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY,” as they have argued in court.
In addition to this, retractions and corrections need to be more prominent. No more screaming falsehoods for hours and days and then quietly issuing a retraction as a scroll during the low viewership time block.
Fox would own the fuck out of that.
The left makes us put this banner on here! We know you’re smart people that can make your own choices about what is and is not “entertainment”! Now, for something I don’t find at all entertaining, Biden once again oversteps his authority and …
The left makes us put this banner on here!
That argument might make sense if it wasn’t Fox themselves arguing in court that they aren’t presenting news and can therefore lie without consequence because they’re entertainment.
I understand completely that it makes no sense that their viewers are this stupid, but it also doesn’t change the fact that they are.
Make FOX etc., have to broadcast a banner that says, “THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY,"
I mean, that might work, but what we’d get is "THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY 😉 " and there’d be no difference to what we have now.
True, some people still believe the Weekly World News is real and it has such a disclaimer. I would like people who believe Fox News to be considered crackpots of a similar caliber. I think such a disclaimer might accomplish this. At very least it would save us from having to refute their fire-hose of bullshit, as it says right on the screen that it’s bullshit, no outside citation needed.
Either that or it’ll force them to improve their journalistic standards to get rid of the disclaimer. Either way, a win.
Republican voters are a different breed. Even with enough evidence to prove Russia was interfering with the 2016 election, Democrats still mostly accepted the win. With even less evidence of any fraud in the 2020 election, the majority of Republicans deny Biden’s legitimacy.
With ZERO evidence. Not e “Even less”. There was ZERO evidence of fraud by the Biden campaign and democrats.
And lots of evidence of Republicans committing fraud in 2020, and still they lost.
They take their cues from their politicians who are all cowards. Every Republican politician with even the most basic critical thinking skills understands that Trump did not win and that Trump intentionally broke the law with classified documents.
Instead of acknowledging those facts, they instead are literally willing to destroy Americans’ faith in fair elections and the basic rule of law by spewing lies in an effort to prostrate themselves to Donald Trump and his supporters. They have no fundamental principles anymore. They are literally willing to burn the country down to win.
Democrats still mostly accepted the win
I couldn’t view your link, but yes majority of Democrats did accept it: https://news.gallup.com/poll/197441/accept-trump-legitimate-president.aspx
This includes Biden himself who requested that his party accept the results. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294
I provided actual poll results and news articles. Not to mention the overriding news of actual indictments handed down by the DOJ.
You provided a tweet of a 10 minute cherry picked montage video.
I think I’m going to go with reality, thank you.
Your polls contradict the actual message, that’s not reality
Can we call them neo-confederates already?
Pre Antebelum Republicans.
This just in: republicans are fucking insane
If you are a republican in this day and age, given ALL the shit they have done and what they stand for, you are either stupid, evil or both
They’re also listening to news sources that promote the bullshit instead of relaying actual facts. It’s no wonder they don’t know what’s going on.
But yet we still have to navigate this and them, despite their terrible brain problems.
So, 69% of Republicans are traitors to the Republic. That’s what I’m hearing.
How many of those 70% knows it’s a lie, but went along with it. There’s a reason why I support rejecting Republicans and I would go as far as not funding red states along with boycotting businesses residing from those states.
Always has been.
Does no one remember 2016-2020? The whole time people said Trumps win was a sham.
Are those people traitors too?
I’m not saying Biden’s win was bullshit, but I swear no one can remember past 30 minutes ago
It’s not the same. Most people calling the 2016 election a sham will admit that Trump did technically win by the rules as written, but also think that those rules are bullshit because they allowed a multi-million person majority to be shut out in favor of a malevolent moron. The people saying Biden lost are saying he literally cheated and that there’s a conspiracy of thousands of government employees collaborating to break the rules and subvert the will of the people; that the multi-million majority literally doesn’t exist. This is just as disingenuous as comparing the top secret documents that Trump hid to the ones that Biden and Pence handed over immediately on request.
did ANY of those people try a coup?
The small insignificant difference between the two is that those people didn’t try to break into congress and kill the people who disagreed
It’s a variety of topics I find denial of reality to be increasing. Climate change science, including the history of how long ago people like Carl Sagan made it a widespread topic. Medical science with pandemics, nonsensical views on how vaccines work. Wild views about how windmills work and interact with the environment.
People must be kept stupid and afraid is seems. I don’t know why. Power and control probably, but this is disgusting. All you can do is look out for yourself.
A brain-dead population is way easier to control. Source: greetings from Hungary!
The Republicans actually went to Hungary to learn from Orban.
What? Can you provide an article so I can read more about this?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gzvb/cpac-hungary-orban
Matt Schlapp, the head of the American Conservative Union and organizer of its influential conference series CPAC, told NPR this week that he was bringing his event to Hungary because it “represents Christian conservative values” and American conservatives want to replicate this in the U.S. by learning from the country’s ultra-right-wing authoritarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán.
Jesus Christ, it’s like an educational field trip for fascism. Thank you for the article.
Sort of like the US Christian groups that went to Uganda and guided them until we now have a death penalty for being gay there
These people are just entitled babies. They know Trump didn’t win, but it feels good feelings to pretend that he did so back to the social media that reinforces that.
We need to stop caring about their delusional indulgence in non-reality and start getting the country back on track. Never vote for a single Republican again. I don’t care if you’re a moderate even - there is no safe Republican candidate for a long while, if ever.
THEY KNOW TRUMP LOST
It’s charitable to call them babies. They’re liars.
How do they want to change elections? Are they asking for more election security? NO. They’re calling to raise the voting age to 25.
They know they can’t win a fair election. They don’t want a fair election. They will throw out Democracy for power. They won’t ever admit it, so they lie, and they recognize their in-group when they see other liars.
Yeah I’m telling you. There is an older crowd that it doesn’t matter what you say to them, they run on hate and they’ve been given a lot of fuel.
The same people believe an imaginary being lives in the sky, that aliens are always visiting Earth, and that dinosaurs never existed.
Maybe we should start saying the dinosaurs were aliens…
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Oh, plenty of interference I’m sure. He had help and admitted to it, just not directly.
Remember the 2000 election? That was a close one. One county in one state with a 500 vote difference. 2020 were 5 states with 10k votes in Arizona to 180k votes in Pennsylvania to Biden. If they pulled 13k votes for out of Trump’s ass for AZ and GA he would of still would of lost the election. They key to the White House is the rust belt. Republicans are too dumb to understand this.
500 votes in a state that was governed by the winners brother, no less.
Democrats have good reason to be suspect about 2000. Republicans are a bunch of clowns.
Yes my point is that 2000 is a valid reason to be suspicious. But you don’t see Gore kicking the results back to Florida and have them overturn the election results with fake electors. That’s fraud.
Troll farms wouldn’t be a thing if they weren’t effective. Social media has poisoned a lot of minds. I am in my mid-40s and grew up in NE Texas which is part of the “Deep South” (assign to that what you will) and in my lifetime I’ve seen things that would just not be possible if it were not for the internet.
“Back in my day…” Reading the newspaper was more than sufficient. There were no (edit: few and/or less easily manifest beyond a ‘google search’) collective hive minds and echo chambers so you had to actually express and own an opinion. I was taught that “this is what Science tells us how God put into motion the universe” We didn’t need concealed or open carry to feel safe.
I’m not really that old. I honestly think most of this crap is 9/11. The terrorists actually won. Fear. There is a culture of fear pervading the USA and international troll farms took root and we continue to deal with the fallout today. Not to get too deep into the weeds … dwindling middle class but … who gives a shit … capitalism. When you can’t provide for your family on a base wage … shit is going to go sideways.
Giving a voice to everyone via the internet may have looked good on paper but in reality it has shown that too many people shouldn’t have a voice.
Fear isn’t new though. Everyone thought everyone else was a Soviet spy or secretly a communist in the 50s.
I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily that too many people shouldn’t have a voice. Just that too many of the people who shouldn’t have much of a voice or any at all are the ones who really want to have one, often times.
The squeaky wheel effect.
