Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.

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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.

Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.

The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:

  • “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
  • “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
  • “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

Overall community comments:

To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.

We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

  • nednobbins@lemmy.world
    7717·
    1 year ago

    What have they actually done?

    I’m all for defederating from instances that cause problems but all the quotes above basically seem to say, “I know you want a revolution but you still gotta follow the rules of whatever instance you’re posting on.”

    It’s your server so your under no obligation to provide a reason for defederating beyond disagreeing with them but it leaves me wondering if there’s anything else or if it’s just a matter of disliking them?

    • Ignacio@lemmy.world
      279·
      1 year ago

      Yeah this reads as completely politically motivated. Nothing in the post is evidence of rule breaking.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
      63·
      1 year ago

      They’re not just saying “follow the rules.” They’re promoting arguing in bad faith and being trolls, while not being so overt with their bullshit it gets them banned. They can’t even be subtle about telling each other to be subtle, which is why we’re here.

      • nednobbins@lemmy.world
        7·
        1 year ago

        Forgive me. I’m old so I’m not up on the current vocab. I thought “woke” and “tankie” were opposite pejoratives. What is a “woke tankie”?

        And more to my original question, what have they actually done that causes any problems? Even if these “woke tankies” have terrible ideas, who cares if they’re not actually causing any problems?

        • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
          25·
          1 year ago

          He’s making fun of anti-communists by comparing liberals(right wingers, as they support the right of undemocratic ownership of the means of production) calling people tankies with conservatives calling people woke.

          I dont think the bit lands but figured you deserved an explanation.

            • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
              13·
              1 year ago

              Somebody who is terminally online and blindly supports the CCP and Putin’s Russia, claims to be communist and thinks the former are genuinely communist depite being authoritarian capitalist systems, and are blindly anti-America because the glorious Soviet Union was somehow better and global imperialism or something. The name “tankie” refers to the Tiannamen Square massacre, which they will be quick to defend or pretend like it wasn’t that bad.

              You can usually find them invoking whataboutism on any thread involving China or Russia, where they’ll go “BUT AMERICA DID IT TOO SO IT’S OKAY AND YOU’RE RACIST FOR HATING CHINA” as well as spouting parroted CCP/Russian propaganda and talking points. Try calling them out on that, of course, and they’ll screech about American propaganda. You can’t reason with tankies, they’re no better than Wehraboos.

      • MajorJimmy@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        Are you just trying to see how many buzzwords you can fit in a sentence or did you actually think this was an intelligent thought worth sharing?