Back in the day, on other forums than this one, there were tags to differentiate between porn (nsfw) and gore (nsfl). This was nice for people browsing new that had no problem seeing tits, but wanted to avoid degloved hands.
Throughout the years, the NSFL tag went out of use. What happened?
Some of it is the Disneyfication that goes with the enshittification at the Old Place. In pursuit of the Holy IPO, they banned a lot of that stuff. Some for good reason (child porn, toxic disinformation…), and some for not so good reasons (banning or NSFW-ing weed subs.)
Also happened at Tumblr (which killed it) and Youtube, which makes it incredibly hard on content creators as they get strikes on their account at the drop of a hat for petty bullshit. When a business goes big, and the suit-and-tie caste hear the siren song of stock options, all of the sudden they’ll start Big-Brothering everyone on the platform so some Wall Street boomer doesn’t publicly lose his shit and cause the share prices to tank.
Reddit brought down the banhammer hard on a lot of ‘controversial’ communities around 4 or so years ago.
I seriously think Lemmy should add NSFL. There’s not really any downside. Although I’ll go slightly against the grain here and say I want to filter out NSFW and keep NSFL if I can. If I’m browsing my content feed I don’t want horny posts. I have a separate account for horny posts where I don’t want to see gore. This would benefit both use cases.
Just have an on/off toggle for both, separately
Please make it configurable content warnings. I also want to filter fake news, things that aren’t porn but maybe not suited for minors either, and stuff that triggers people’s phobias or bad memories. And probably a few other categories.
And user-configurable policies like the Message Rewrite Facility from Pleroma.
NSFG - not safe for grandparents. I think fake news fits in there just as well as mild nudity and triggers.
Yeah, thank you. That sounds like it. Nobody seems to understand me. I just want one platform that simultaneously fits me and that i can show to my grandparends and/or give my mom and my 12 y o niece an account.
I’ve been hosting a Peertube instance during Covid. And many idiots came there after being banned by YouTube. So many that my timeline was half tech related stuff and half re-posts of some ‘documentaries’ about adrenochrome or nanobots inside the masks and vaccines.
I dislike that and it renders everyone insane, if you’re exposed to that stuff every single day. And the second thing is: I pay for the server. It’s my instance. And therefore I decide if I like to invite the Trump/Maga people to my online home. Or random covid deniers.
But I also diskile blocking everything. Sometimes I’d like to see what’s going on with people like that. I like to watch NSFW stuff with my alt account. And i’m pro free speech. Even if it’s idiots.
So that is why i would like to have something like content warnings and rules i can define myself. In addition to the crude ban everything.
Everything you just listed is the heart and soul of the internet today. Maybe you should just unplug and go to a library.
Or maybe we should give people choices on what they want to see? This doesn’t have to be an all or nothing thing.
I’m going the other way… when they build a filter that hides everything I don’t already agree with or that supports my side of arguments, I’m mainlining it straight to my nervous system
Coffee filter: check. Cannabis filter: check. Bacon sandwich filter: check. Cat filter: check. Butts butts butts butts butts butts butts filter: check. Ok I think we’re good to go
People label Michelangelo’s David as NSFW… That’s super crazy
Mainchan has separate tags for nsfw, nsfl, and political . It’s nice, but I’m not sure how well a “political” tag would actually work on a place as popular as lemmy. Someone will always say that everything’s political.
Which, to be fair to them - everything is, you know? Nothing is really absent of politics because nothing is really absent of us.
Yeah, I do actually agree with the sentiment. That’s why I don’t think it could really work in practice.
Anything that could actually use the NSFL tag is probably illegal to have on a website. There’s a reason why best gore and live leak don’t exist anymore. Hosting that kind of content is going to cause a lot of legal issues. I’m guessing no sites want to encourage that kind of content by offering a specific tag for it
lol it is not illegal.
what law is it breaking?
There are more countries than the US. Canada has obscenity laws for example. I’m sure other countries also have laws about ISIS beheadings and mass shootings being shared online.
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Shock sites always had trouble with the law, which is why most of them have shut down by now and most social media sites remove it. Watching/consuming it is one thing, publicly and openly sharing/promoting it without effectively restricting access to minors will always bring legal issues and legal attacks… And even when the legal charges are fought successfully, it’s still a major pain in the ass most people don’t want to deal with… And then you also have to find ISP’s and hosters who are willing to host this kind of material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten.com#Legal_disputes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestgore.com#Corruption_of_morals_charge
https://www.dw.com/de/gewaltvideos-im-netz-was-strafrechtlich-erlaubt-ist/a-49871305
https://www.skppsc.ch/de/gewaltvideos-und-illegale-pornografie-auf-smartphones/
Oh, you’re sure? That makes it ok then.
This is just bullshit. Not everything NSFL is illegal. Before I quit reddit, the only reason my r/all wasn’t having medical gore constantly pop up was because I individually blocked all of those subreddits as they appeared. If the NSFL tag was a site-wide tag option like NSFW is, I wouldn’t have had to do all that effort.
Liveleak doesn’t exist? Wow that’s news to me.
I know that’s not what you meant but liveleak actually did shutdown a couple years ago.
Thank you. I truly didn’t know. Stopped watching snuff after my daughter was born.
I think there’s a huge range of stuff that’s legal but that many people might want to filter out because it’s gross or disgusting.
The tag “NSFL” may have been created for the most egregious pictures (that might be illegal in some cases), but it was generally applied to a much wider range of stuff in practice.
Medical injuries definitely seem like a good candidate and I don’t know where pictures of medical injuries would be illegal.
I don’t agree, someone who got a nasty cut from a chainsaw while cutting a tree and posting it is definitely gore, should be classed as NSFL, and is very much legal.
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I use it frequently in the Ukraine community on the Sopuli.xyz instance.
Be the change your want to see - strat using it
Would that be a gory classic Fender guitar?
I still see it, albeit rarely, on some subreddits, eg. NatureIsMetal
Does anyone here have the capability to implement this? Is it a Lemmy admin thing or can the app devs do something?
I really want a NSFL tag. I very much do not want to see gore. There are other buckets of things that I’d like to be tagged for ease of filtering. Yiff and Furry art. I fully support those that do want to enjoy that content, I’d just like to be able to filter easier.
Likely the people here are not interested in this kind of content, so it does not exist. Or then maybe there are some instances with interested users, but then my instance has defederated from that, and probably yours too.
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Considering a lot of gore content is illegal in places such as the US, it’s possible they the tag doesn’t exist anymore on most places to avoid promoting the content.
gore content is illegal in places such as the US
LOL WUT? 1st amendment has entered the chat…
ok, let me clarify. Obscenity is not protected under the first amendment. Accidental gore/maiming is maybe allowed, at most it’s a grey area until its concidered obscene, however once it hits the obscenity level the supreme court has declared that it is a violation of federal law and therefore illegal. It’s a huge reason that many sites actively take the content down and have it against TOS. Most enforcement/regulation with the standing is generally in relation to minors, but it isn’t exclusive to minors.
Nobody cares about it, anymore.
Frankly, I’m not surprised. With the amount of actually gruesome footage shown in mainstream media, and those abominable “here’s Mr. Mittens that I saved after somebody threw him into a mud, plz gib upovtes nao!” stories only pretending to be wholesome, we kind of went numb and don’t perceive gruesome content as very interesting.
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Gore. Gore never changes.
It doesn’t go away.
It’s simply not as alluring as it was before, when combat footage, or recordings from yet another mass shooting appear everywhere, hardly any censored.
