that every Palestinian protest (even those on women’s march) are suspicious for the German state.
When reading how the police described what happened there…
Something like that never happens at an average pride parade. Why does it happen during Palestine related protests? If you are the police and experience that, I can imagine them trying to be more prepared the next time and expect the worst-case, just in case…
Der Auslöser der gewaltsamen Szene fehlt im rund eine Minute langen Videoausschnitt, die Auseinandersetzung ist bereits im vollen Gange. Wie die Polizei am Sonntag mitteilte, griffen Teilnehmer:innen während der Demonstration die Einsatzkräfte wiederholt an.
Bereits kurz nach Beginn der Versammlung mit dem Titel “Internationaler feministischer Kampftag” seien israelfeindliche Sprechchöre angestimmt sowie strafbare und eindeutig polizeifendliche Parolen gerufen worden, teilte die Polizei mit. Die Einsätzkräfte hätten immer wieder tatverdächtige Personen festgenommen, daraufhin sei es zu versuchten Gefangenenbefreiungen und tätlichen Angriffen gekommen. “Die Polizeieinsatzkräfte wurden teilweise mit gezielten Faustschlägen, Tritten und Flaschenwürfen angegriffen und wendeten daraufhin wiederholt körperlichen Zwang an und setzten Reizstoffsprühgeräte gegen die Teilnehmenden ein”, hieß es am Sonntag.
Bei einem Vorfall hatten Demonstrationsteilnehmende laut Polizei versucht, die Festnahme zweier Frauen zu verhindern, die mehrfach strafbare Parolen gerufen haben sollen. Die Polizei habe die Frauen daraufhin nach Absprache in eine Feuerwache in der Wiener Straße gebracht. Mehr als 100 Personen hätten versucht, in Richtung der Feuerwache zu gelangen und hätten die Einsatzkräfte “massiv körperlich bedrängt”. Die Polizeibeamten hätten daraufhin “Zwangsmaßnahmen in Form von Schieben und Drücken” angewendet “sowie selektiv gezielte Faustschläge, Tritte und Pfefferspray” eingesetzt.
Insgesamt nahm die Polizei bei den Versammlungen am Samstag 12 Männer und 16 Frauen vorübergehend fest. Zudem wurden 33 Strafermittlungsverfahren unter anderem wegen besonders schweren Landfriedensbruchs, Gefangenenbefreiung, tätlichen Angriffs, Widerstands gegen Vollstreckungsbeamte und Verwendens von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger und terroristischer Organisationen eingeleitet. Sieben Polizeibeamte seien verletzt worden, alle hätten im Dienst bleiben können.
Never said the proetestors aren’t biased. There’s no such thing as an unbiased perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you know that a police report should not be treated as a “factual” report (or copying one should not be counted as “journalism”, as a slight tangent).
My original point was this (you could have looked it up - it’s not gone):
The German state is incredibly repressive against solidarity for Palestine.
How does the fact that the police admit that they arrest protestors for chanting slogans that criticize Israel refute my point in any way?
The truth is somewhere between. That’s kind of obvious…
You won’t get arrested for critizing Israel. That’s not illegal here.
If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should …, then you might get arrested, but that’s not criticism… You can replace the country or religion with any other… Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that’s good.
You won’t get arrested for critizing Israel. That’s not illegal here.
You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you’re not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.
Der Antisemitismusbeauftragte der Bundesregierung fordert härtere Strafen für vermeintlich antisemitische Vorfälle sowie den Einsatz von Sicherheitsbehörden wie dem Verfassungsschutz an Universitäten. Ferner sollten Aussagen wie „From the River to the Sea“ unter Strafe gestellt werden: „Mit Prävention allein kommen wir dem grassierenden Antisemitismus nicht bei.“
If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should …, then you might get arrested, but that’s not criticism… You can replace the country or religion with any other… Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that’s good.
My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That’s the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.
When reading how the police described what happened there…
Something like that never happens at an average pride parade. Why does it happen during Palestine related protests? If you are the police and experience that, I can imagine them trying to be more prepared the next time and expect the worst-case, just in case…
You’re aware that the police is a biased participant in the conflict and you’re not really arguing against my point, right?
Oh, but the protestor who uploaded a clip that did not show what happened before, is not biased???
You only accepting the one side and one part of what happened there, makes you biased as well.
To be honest: I don’t even know what your point is. Mine is: There is a bigger picture and we both haven’t seen it.
Never said the proetestors aren’t biased. There’s no such thing as an unbiased perspective. I just wanted to make sure that you know that a police report should not be treated as a “factual” report (or copying one should not be counted as “journalism”, as a slight tangent).
My original point was this (you could have looked it up - it’s not gone):
How does the fact that the police admit that they arrest protestors for chanting slogans that criticize Israel refute my point in any way?
The truth is somewhere between. That’s kind of obvious…
You won’t get arrested for critizing Israel. That’s not illegal here.
If you shout that Israel should be destroyed or that all Jews should …, then you might get arrested, but that’s not criticism… You can replace the country or religion with any other… Hate speech is not tolerated in Germany and that’s good.
You do run the risk of losing your visa, or getting deported, if you’re not a German citizen. And you might get sued for relatively minor things, if the case is connected to palestine solidarity. Also, judges and prosecutors will judge you more harshly, due to the Bundestagsresolution.
Here’s an article on the matter
My whole point is that criticism of Israel is equated to anisemitism. That’s the whole deal behind the ISRHA definition.