They’ve went further than that & now it is criticism of Israel as well. Moreso, despite those things representing a dark history, if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million, or whatever number they are at now, as long as they aren’t there being violent (which is already criminal) then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior. The censorship as well has only emboldened those ideas. When you lock people up for speaking about something then those ideas grow like cancer. People will believe they are legitimate ideas that the government is covering up. Don’t believe me or whatever, but don’t be surprised when you create a monster.
No censorship of speech has always been liberal. /s
Also its kidna funny how eastern european countries now have stronger foundations of liberal democracy than germany, since statements like “from the river to the sea” are not criminalized as antisemitic.
For something to be “criminalized”, it needs to be criminal. Antisemitism isn’t a crime in Germany, so branding something as such might be propaganda but has no legal consequences.
That’s wrong. You can criticise Israel all day long, but you may maneuver yourself into problems if you mix up the Jews (as in anti-semitic rhetoric) with the the state of Israel.
Really? I can’t remember that anybody got legally punished for criticizing Israel, but I might just not remember it. Can you provide sources for your claim?
No, you either didn’t read the article or didn’t understand it. The article doesn’t mention a single instance of what you claim.
The article is about political pressure, as I said, about accusing Israel critics of other crimes and thereby trying to shut them down. But criticizing Israel is not illegal. And that is the same as happened in USA, where protest where shut down and accused of other crimes to stop them.
Are you talking about Germany’s ban on fascist symbols and Holocaust denial?
If so, calling that “fascist behavior” is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. Seriously below “what happened to the tolerant left” level.
They’ve went further than that & now it is criticism of Israel as well. Moreso, despite those things representing a dark history, if someone cosplays as a Nazi or thinks Hitler didn’t murder 6 million, or whatever number they are at now, as long as they aren’t there being violent (which is already criminal) then arresting them because of thought crimes is fascist behavior. The censorship as well has only emboldened those ideas. When you lock people up for speaking about something then those ideas grow like cancer. People will believe they are legitimate ideas that the government is covering up. Don’t believe me or whatever, but don’t be surprised when you create a monster.
No censorship of speech has always been liberal. /s Also its kidna funny how eastern european countries now have stronger foundations of liberal democracy than germany, since statements like “from the river to the sea” are not criminalized as antisemitic.
For something to be “criminalized”, it needs to be criminal. Antisemitism isn’t a crime in Germany, so branding something as such might be propaganda but has no legal consequences.
Ah sorry I believe that in Germany they call it incitement to hate or something like that, which is criminal.
edit: from a very quick search I found this http://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/8/6/german-court-fines-woman-for-from-the-river-to-the-sea-chant which meand that by this judicature it is directly criminal. Also this source https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1699528989-berlin-criminalizes-slogan-from-the-river-to-the-sea-palestine-will-be-free. But here I dont know how reliable this source is
I believe he’s talking about Germany not allowing critique on war crimes and mass murder if perpetrated by Israel.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally perfectly allowed to critique Israel. So the OP still would be wrong.
Actually are there are legal restrictions on critising Israel in Germany.
That’s wrong. You can criticise Israel all day long, but you may maneuver yourself into problems if you mix up the Jews (as in anti-semitic rhetoric) with the the state of Israel.
The article itself proves you wrong, but you already knew that
Really? I can’t remember that anybody got legally punished for criticizing Israel, but I might just not remember it. Can you provide sources for your claim?
You’re literally in the comment section for an article about it
No, you either didn’t read the article or didn’t understand it. The article doesn’t mention a single instance of what you claim.
The article is about political pressure, as I said, about accusing Israel critics of other crimes and thereby trying to shut them down. But criticizing Israel is not illegal. And that is the same as happened in USA, where protest where shut down and accused of other crimes to stop them.
Yes, criticising Israel is illegal as you have yourself just stated. The exact legal mechanism which the state uses does not change this.
Actually it does. If you’re just going to straight up deny verifiable reality, what’s the point in talking to you?
What? I specifically checked the article before I posted the comment. Please quote the part you are talking about.
My brother/sister/comrade in christ, read the article this comments section is centered around.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally allowed to critique Israel.