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It would be preferable if we didn’t have to murder CEOs to stop them from destroying our lives but they are sort of forcing our hands here.
It would be nice if they paid attention to the overwhelming pop culture references of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s that referenced struggle.
The audacity that the most powerful and richest of the dumbs dumbs adopts psy-punk like it isn’t a reference to oligarchs and shitty decisions with power and money tells me he is just shallow asshole that thinks he knows more than those that read them.
Gibson, Orwell, Stephenson, Moore, Palahniuk, Bradbury, and many others wrote fantasies that encapsulated these notions and yet it falls on deaf ears. They are indeed forcing our hands.
They see these villains and go “damn they look cool” and never think “maybe he’s an asshole” with some self reflection.
SAY HIS NAME
Luigi Mangione, actual sexiest man alive.
The article says that some man said people “in dark corners” herald him as a hero. I guess the entirety of America is in dark corners? lol. clown man.
My hero
In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero.
By which he means all over the fucking country, which is unfortunately so covered in darkness there are no bright corners left.
Luigi is a global hero. I’m European and think most people of the world can relate since they experience the same consequences of (ruthless) capitalism.
dark corners = common folk
European here and i see him as a hero. Many people here do. Even Rednote is full of Luigi memes in chinese of supporters from china.
This was my favorite that i saved:
Here are some:
The last one with batman is PERFECTION!
Although I don’t approve violence, trend today everywhere is that countries are run like companies and common folk, especially poor ones, are considered as “garbage it the way”. Export industry being the nearest and dearest.
There should be a way to return the societies focus back to citizens. By the time AGI comes along this should be fixed or common people will be royally fucked.
I approve of the defense of innocent people against powers that aim to kill them.
Violence is justifiable when the alternative is to be killed.
UHC kills innocent people. That’s their business model.
I approve of the defense of innocent people against powers that aim to kill them.
Agreed. I see no difference between murder and institutionalized murder.
“I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend” - Faramir
Unfortunately history says the only way to return society back to the citizens is violence. There’s nothing else the oppressors will listen to.
dark corners
Hey, I just don’t like too much light okay…
One of the few people standing up for their fellow Americans. A true patriot surrounded by people with an addiction to greed.
I went to the donate page, and it has a pray button. Wtf is this shit? Now I’ve seen everything
I scoffed at the “thoughts and payers upvote” but perhaps it will get more support from the people who wont/cant afford to donate and further show the level of support he is getting from the general public
LMFAO they can’t even put Luigi’s name in the headline?!
I’m surprised they even linked to the webpage: https://www.luigimangioneinfo.com/
Ok…why not just register https://www.luigimangione.info/
Am I the only one who’s hearing someone withdraw money from the ATM machine?
.com is usually cheaper and people know it better.
More celebration of murder as somehow “uplifting”. America really is sinking.
PS: Brigading just makes you all look insecure while increasing even more the hostility level of this supposedly “uplifting” community. I personally don’t care if a thousand of you downvote my comment. I’m secure in my conviction that murder is always bad. But others, maybe with more ambivalent takes, are gonna be put off by your mob mentality. And then you’ll have nothing but others in your mob to tell you how right you are and maybe lessen any doubts or insecurity you have. Is that really what you want from a community? I must admit I don’t get it.
Downvoting isn’t brigading.
The market celebrates murder every day and you don’t bat an eye.
We celebrate the market feeling fear for their daily for profit murder spree for the first time.
People like you have no problem when murder is done with a confidence scheme and a claim denial letter after people paid in advance for care when they got sick.
Shame on you.
There is something most people go through at some point, it’s the realization that violence is sometimes necessary for the advancement of justice. There would have been no civil rights movements in the US without violence. There would have been no resistance against nazis without violence. There would have been no french revolution without violence. The very roughly “equal chances” society you enjoy today is the result of violence.
Simply put, when the system is dysfunctional and the safeguards originally put in place have been compromised/corrupted, you can either sit there and watch it dispense its injustice, or you can use violence. It’s whatever works. Luigi allegedly did something very, very courageous and selfless, and he’s owed our collective respect. I hope you get around to that.
A passably substantive argument! Though you couldn’t resist a patronizing note of condescension right at the end. To me that suggests insecurity and so undermines your point.
I do know history, more or less (in fact I have a degree in it). And I take different lessons from it than you. The French revolution had two phases, non-violent and violent. Almost all of the useful reforms happened in the first phase. The mass spilling of blood was unnecessary, caused by impatient mobs who just could not wait for those reforms to bear fruit, and who had other unproductive agendas such as vengeance. What is certain is that 200 years later many European countries have achieved the same level of economic development and social justice as France (some of them even more so) without any need for a violent revolution.
As for civil rights, to me that’s even clearer: it was not violence but non-violence - boycotts, sit-ins, marches - that won over public opinion and so made it impossible for the Kennedy-Johnson government to continue doing nothing.
I think MLK would have been horrified to see the rhetoric you deploy to defend the indefensible. I certainly am.
This is written word, it’s incomplete, it’s flawed. Please do not assume the worst. I am responding in good faith to you here : I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies, that it historically has, and that it may again -even if we don’t like it
I am genuinely hoping for everybody to come around to
I do assume good faith. But can you see the problem with saying, “I’m hoping that everyone eventually sees that they’re wrong and I’m right”?
the fact that violence plays a central part in our societies
On its face I agree. But I think it plays a pernicious role and personally I don’t want anything to do with it.
You are extremely dishonest in interpreting the message from the one user who is excercising way too much patience with you. You should wash your mouth when you speak about MLK when spouting for your moralism.
Also, unfriendly tip: if you’re gonna critizice people for being condescending to you, you shouldn’t start your argument being condescending towards everyone a priori.
Finally, you have no moral high ground, your “non violence” apparently only applies to popular opinion and not state or politicians actions. Also, citing the French revolution as an example is woefully reductive and shows that maybe you should dust off your degree and read just a bit more.
MLK would absolutely disagree with you.
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
Justice delayed is justice denied. Anyone who says “Yes, you should have civil rights!…Later.” is saying No.
Many have already tried to argue that the American Healthcare system is broken, and were shot down or given vague promises that it was steadily improving.
Gandhi also preferred violence over sitting on your hands
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.
“Direct action”, yes. Murder: no.
what do you think “Direct action” means?
How do you feel about this murder? https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-asthma-medicine-lawsuit-walgreens-optum-8b4130ab404e513fbd68c9e02b51976b
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
That’s very sad but it doesn’t fit the definition of murder.
Will you post comments asking where the justice is for this lost life?
No, because I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that, and I think it’s a problem that people are excusing it.
It’s clear as day to me what’s going on here. You are all angry and frustrated. You’re not murderers yourselves and you wouldn’t do what “Luigi” did, partly because you’re too cowardly, mostly because you’re better people than him. But the absence of “justice” (just quoting you) in America’s dysfunctional healthcare system is so egregious and so shocking (I agree: it is), that you feel the need to strike out somehow, to show how strongly you feel. And so you come here and excuse murder. Coz, wow, speaking up for an actual murder! That’s pretty big, right? Basically it’s a mutual support session for people who feel bad - like, really bad - about the state of American healthcare.
Personally, I don’t think that excusing murder is going to get you a better healthcare system. In fact the opposite is far more likely: if political assassinations are normalized, an authoritarian backlash becomes all but inevitable. And that will push healthcare right down the list of your priorities. And all for what? For the fleeting buzz of perverted righteousness that you get from excusing the inexcusable. It’s not worth it.
I think murder (first degree, premeditated, cold-blooded) is worse than that
Someone has died in both cases. So why?
Believe what you want, but don’t characterize opposition to your shitty opinion as “brigading”.
But mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up. And now you’re adding insults to the mix. Well done.
Again, I personally could not care less. But by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts (unless of course they agree with you, that’s different!). And you’re certainly not creating an “uplifting” community.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes. I DO care that you’re excusing the inexcusable and helping to normalize political violence.
You comment a lot for someone who could not care less.
Should I shut up so that nobody contradicts you?
Preferably you should learn to deal with criticism, even if almost anyone is disagreeing with you. Crying on social media about a majority disagreeing only makes you look like a fool and basically animates a crowd of trolls to make fun of you. Also be aware that reactions to you so far were comparably civil, on more toxic platforms you’d have already been stomped into the ground.
If your sense of self-worth isn’t strong enough to deal with massive civil / anonymous disagreement by other people without resorting to throwing shit around you should focus on improving it first before writing comments about controversial topics.
mass downvoting is a form of brigading, just look it up
I did. You’re lying. Check this if you don’t believe me: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading
by behaving like this, you’re not encouraging people to share their thoughts
They’re discouraging takes that go against the hive mind. Simple as is. Yours just happens to also be a really shitty take.
To be clear, I don’t care about your downvotes.
You cared enough to make a comment about it.
