• HousePanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com
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    I would not be surprised if the Democrats roll over for the GOP. I would be very disappointed and angry because trans rights are human rights.

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      Why would you not be surprised? There’s zero chance this would ever pass a Democratically-controlled chamber of Congress. Focus your ire on Republicans, who are the people pushing this anti-trans and anti-human rights agenda

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        The Democratic Party is a party of “Enlightened Centrists.” They might sit down at the negotiating table thinking they’re there to protect trans rights, but unfortunately, they’re mistaken. There is no negotiating table. There’s a telling table. The table is a construct where Republicans tell Democrats what they’re going to do. The Democrats have not yet fully realized or embraced that their responsibility at the table is to say “No.”

        The result? The full ire belongs to the republicans. But we also get to feel frustrated with the Democrats for their place in the increasing rise of fascism. They treat republicans like sane, rational actors when they need to be treated like a gorilla in a cockpit.

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            No argument from me regarding how Obama handled Republicans, but that’s not what we’ve seen happen since Biden took office. He’s done a great job of getting much of his agenda passed by peeling off what few “moderate” Republicans are left, and he hasn’t caved to Republican demands at all without extracting serious concessions on his end too. The reality is Republicans control the House right now, so they have to work together with Democrats to some extent, whether or not we emotionally would prefer Biden just give them the finger

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          The table is a construct where Republicans tell Democrats what they’re going to do. The Democrats have not yet fully realized or embraced that their responsibility at the table is to say “No.”

          Do you have an example of this since Biden took office?

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            Train workers, and before you push the whole “but they made a deal recently!” that deal was fucking pathetic and does NOTHING to address the infrastructure issues, and the fact that they are going to try and reduce workers down to 1. At best all it did was let the shitty horrible train infrastructure limp along. I fucking listened to workers whistleblowing for months and it will always fucking enrage me that Palestine did not have to fucking happen. That is on Biden’s and the dems hands. You vote for the dems cause you don’t have a fucking choice and if you are fortunate enough to live in a situation that you CAN vote (cause the dems do nothing about gerrymandering and other voting issues ) you pinch your nose, vote dem, and then if you actually care about fixing anything, you go back to organizing and building local community. Cause no one else is going to help us, let alone save us. In the words of Robert Evans, I vote just in the weird off chance it fucking does something. I never expect anything good to come federally and it keeps me grounded and able to do actual work. Fuck biden and any of the other west wing brain rot fuckers that is the establishment dems.

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              I’m trying to wrap my head around this…when the railroad unions were trying to negotiate a new contract with companies, the sticking point that was potentially leading to a strike was very clearly sick leave. Biden was portrayed as the bad guy here because he didn’t let these workers strike due to the real harm this would do to everyone else in the form of shortages and even worse inflation, but then he kept at it and they ended up with the sick leave they wanted in the first place.

              That was one issue, safety regulations and infrastructure investment are a totally separate issue. The Obama Admin issued rules in 2015 that very well could have prevented the derailment in Palestine with better braking systems and more structurally sound train cars. Republicans in the legislature lead by Senator John Thune overturned this rule when they controlled both houses in 2018, and Donald Trump signed it.

              My point is the railroad industry is constantly lobbying to decrease their regulations because they’re frankly evil corporations who put profit above safety, and the Republican Party stands squarely on the side of the companies, while the Democratic Party tries to implement safety regulations. I just don’t understand how you can sit here and blame Democrats for this

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                  The government stopped the strike, they didn’t stop contract negotions and all the other pain that comes along with that, and the unions and companies recently came to an agreement giving workers 7 days of sick leave per year (in addition to their paid time off), which is what they were threatening to strike over

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                Sick leave was one thing, but if you did any actual digging past what the media was telling you and listen to the workers then you would of known that sick leave was the bare minimum and they barely got that and it was pathetic. Look if you are not a sea lion and actually give a shit then go listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=69A_UCdikE8

                Cause I’m not going to sit here and type out a novel of all the problems.

                If you really can’t wrap your brain around that Palestine was warned about before it happened and the delay of and the eventual shit deal, was part of it. Then you need to go educate yourself on working class history and how laws are written in blood in captalism. Like, i don’t know what to tell you at this point. The deal was shit. Palestine is on Bidens hands especially after he shook hands with the literal barons. It’s not rocket science.

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        It will be interesting to see the “at least Democrats don’t support anti-LGBT+ legislation” crowd try to explain this.

        I imagine they’ll just lash out at me again if I ever mention it, like they do about all the other atrocities they support.

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            Try to explain why I should vote for people who support the deportation of my family, the upholding of colonist and genocidal policies and institutions, the interests of large corporations and the wealthy at the expense of the economically disadvantaged, and who only support us LGBT+ people when it’s politically convenient?

            But go ahead, tell me why I should vote for these fascists again. I need something to lull my brain to sleep.

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      Is that the event that finally puts people in the streets and out of supporting this shill economy? Something has to give.

      And yes, this isn’t an economic post. But it is. Because we are beholden to a ruling class who absolutely is on a different planet than the vast majority. And they ultimately pay attention to money.

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    If we’re going to step into this territory of beliefs dictating federal funding, let’s start with cutting all federal funding in the country that goes to ANY religious organization, church, school, hospital, etc. Oh, let’s also stop funding absolutely every fucking thing in the country that has a bible in it, or provides access to any religious text. Let’s also stop funding for any entity that allows religious prayer, wearing religious symbols, religious pictures, etc. None of these types of amendments have any fucking thing to do with medicine, it’s all just politics.

    OR, we could just stop pork barrel legislation and just vote on the legislation and its purpose, without taking any other unrelated shit that fits someone’s personal agenda or fills their pockets with money from bribery er, I mean, lobbyists.

    EDIT: Maybe she could just resign from congress and go fuck off for the rest of eternity. She is a malignant cancer on the country.

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      let’s start with cutting all federal funding in the country that goes to ANY religious organization, church, school, hospital, etc

      Why stop there? Tax exemption is a subsidy, and offering tax exemptions on purely religious grounds is clearly “law respecting the establishment of religion”.

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    Dems will absolutely roll over and give the GOP whatever they want. That’s what they do. They have no fucking spines to stand for anything. “Civility” and “reaching across the aisle” and “bipartisanship” are more important to them than literally anything else. They’re going to politely allow the GOP to march us all into fucking camps while pretending like they’re allies.

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    Christ. I didn’t expect things to get this scary this fast. As someone getting care under an ACA plan this becoming the New Thing In Congress is terrifying.

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      These kinds of things are pretty typical in budget negotiations and very rarely make it into the final bill. Republicans throw in a bunch of stupid bullshit, they agree to remove most of it in exchange for actually passing a budget, and they get a few nominal wins to take back home to their constituents.

      I’d be very surprised if anything super significant makes it into the final bill. Even Republican voters themselves barely care about trans issues.