I’m not promoting religion. I’m not religious. (I don’t believe it’s always bad faith, either, but…) I’m saying don’t set out to make life harder for groups that already face significant discrimination. And you’re saying you’d prefer to punch down because you don’t like this group. At least now I know who you are.
Life is harder for them when they’re new arrivals and second-generation, meaning when they’re a minority at any scale. That’s fair, yes, they should not be mistreated.
But we have a problem with beliefs, and that problem is seen at scale, like in the places that they’re coming from.
I refuse to ignore content and just focus on forms out of context. What’s the plan on convincing people to drop horrible beliefs?
Because if I have to make an ethical choice to support some conservative patriarchal people who are refugees OR some queer people from anywhere, I’m going with the queer people, hands down, as the strategic move. This applies to those World religions. If you don’t understand how traditionalists and conservatives have made the world horrible and wish to make it worse, let me know.
You aren’t paying any attention to what I’m saying. You’re too caught up in your own feelings about religion generally. There aren’t many hate crimes against Protestants in the US (my context). There are plenty against Muslims and Jews. Sorru you can’t see the difference.
I’m not doing PR for Islam, sorry.
My bad. I assumed you were in good faith. Carry on with your bigotry. That’d the mods’ job, I’m not doing it.
Here you go, bad faith: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
You expect good faith, but you promote religion which is founded on bad faith?
Up your standards first, then we talk seriously.
I’m not promoting religion. I’m not religious. (I don’t believe it’s always bad faith, either, but…) I’m saying don’t set out to make life harder for groups that already face significant discrimination. And you’re saying you’d prefer to punch down because you don’t like this group. At least now I know who you are.
Life is harder for them when they’re new arrivals and second-generation, meaning when they’re a minority at any scale. That’s fair, yes, they should not be mistreated.
But we have a problem with beliefs, and that problem is seen at scale, like in the places that they’re coming from.
I refuse to ignore content and just focus on forms out of context. What’s the plan on convincing people to drop horrible beliefs?
Because if I have to make an ethical choice to support some conservative patriarchal people who are refugees OR some queer people from anywhere, I’m going with the queer people, hands down, as the strategic move. This applies to those World religions. If you don’t understand how traditionalists and conservatives have made the world horrible and wish to make it worse, let me know.
https://navigatingdifferences.com/clarifying-sexual-and-gender-ethics-in-islam/ look at the signatures
You aren’t paying any attention to what I’m saying. You’re too caught up in your own feelings about religion generally. There aren’t many hate crimes against Protestants in the US (my context). There are plenty against Muslims and Jews. Sorru you can’t see the difference.
I heard that and it means nothing. There are many things happening at once. It’s up to you to learn how to deal with more than one issue at a time.