I’m continually mystified by Biden’s low polling numbers, compared to his on the job performance (and actually, you know, being on the job rather than golfing all the time). “But he’s too old!” The other guy is just three years younger than he is.
Besides, if you wanted younger presidents, you should nominate them. Biden wasn’t not old in 2020. If you choose Methuselah during the nomination process, that’s kind of a you problem. Do the research beforehand and you won’t have buyer’s remorse later.
I think most people are so turned off by politics that they can’t be bothered to listen to actual policy, or so buried in ‘both sides are owned by corps’ propaganda that they assume policy changes are always harmful. I doubt that most of the people polling negative on Biden could name a specific policy or action that they disagree with. I mean, I would also like to see a President born in the last half of the previous century, but if the biggest criticism is, “he’s old,” then he must be doing alright. It’s an easy criticism to understand and impossible to refute without resorting to ‘so is the other guy.’
Alot of what I hear is people complaining he didn’t meet his promises. They ignore the fact that it wasn’t for lack of trying. The system is broke we have to try and fix it. And by broke I mean for the people.
Alot of what I hear is people complaining he didn’t meet his promises. They ignore the fact that it wasn’t for lack of trying
I don’t think any president has ever delivered on more than a handful of their campaign promises. And even then, those outcomes are stretching the accomplish a LONG way to meet the “promise”.
The biggest win in a long time is probably Obama and the ACA, and that took a LOT and even that, though infinitely better than what it replaced, wasn’t really what he promised us.
Meanwhile, Trump is working on his replacement for the ACA, it’ll be available in a couple weeks.
That’s because those aren’t campaign promises so much as campaign agendas and the misnomer disillusions people, which is the original intent of creating the misnomer.
I pretty much agree, with everything in this thread, but it doesn’t help that presidential candidates themselves often use the words “I promise” or “I will” lol
Sure, he’s clearly orders of magnitude better than anyone the GOP will run and yes, he has pushed decent enough policy.
But around the world, I think people are looking at their left-wing parties and thinking that they’re not nearly enough.
“Bidenomics” seems to just be “neoliberalism with a hint of shame”. It’s certainly better than “neoliberalism and we’d feed you into a woodchipper if the spreadsheet said it would be profitable” but fuck, the world is burning.
Where is the trillion dollars we spent on war now that we need it to fight literal extinction? What are we going to do when the crops fail and the robots take our jobs?Why are there Nazis with political power and private prisons paying inmates pennies? Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
Why don’t we have ranked choice voting so we can find people to actually fix things, instead of offering us bigger crumbs?
Why don’t we have ranked choice voting so we can find people to actually fix things, instead of offering us bigger crumbs?
I don’t think that would really fix anything. I mean, it’s a good idea, and you can paint a few rosy scenarios where a great 3rd party candidate fails because none of their supporters are willing to ‘waste’ their vote. But the 3rd parties put up people like Jill Stein or Cynthia McKinney. They’re not big enough or organized enough to recruit good candidates, let alone voters.
Even if they could win elections, the congressional rules more-or-less force 3rd parties to caucus with one of the main 2, where they have no power, because they don’t raise funds or campaign for the party.
Good candidates should be challenging poor candidates at the primary stage. GOP candidates seem to live in constant fear of primary challenges from far-right nutjobs, but I rarely hear about progressive challengers on the Dem side, AOC and Cori Bush notwithstanding.
Ranked choice voting also can only be implemented by the states. The federal government can’t do that, so there’s literally nothing Biden can do except say “we should do ranked choice voting.” But I also don’t think he needs to! Multiple states are already implementing it. We are well under way with the experiment.
Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
I can’t speak to chocolate and why we don’t do more at home, obviously besides cost, but the same countries you are holding up as examples are buying the exact same electronics and chips from the exact same countries we are.
Any polling that is done that way at least. The issue is there also isn’t any better way to do it at this point. Most people, including myself, don’t pick up unknown numbers on our cell phones. And an internet-related poll is just begging for shenanigans and skewing.
So, yeah, I guess polling is irrelevant, since there’s no good way to do it nowadays. The only polls that are still remotely accurate are exit polling done with the actual people voting at polls.
I was actually concerned about that when Nate got let go from FiveThirtyEight (though I think he still licenses his model to the site). Is there any further details on why he was fired?
Biden was old in 2020, he was old in 2016 too. So was Trump.
Nominating younger options would be great… Except we have 2 parties who have special rights and few restrictions - they can straight up throw out nominations if they want, and they’ve convinced the public at large that 3rd parties aren’t an option
We need ranked choice voting desperately.
Personally, I also think all votes should be write-in. If you don’t know which office they’re running for and can’t spell your candidates name correctly, you haven’t met a very low bar of education on the topic. Maybe your vote shouldn’t count
Biden looses the first two primaries massively, everyone desides to skip South Carolina because Bloomberg had dumps millions in to it. Biden wins it and everyone is like: yep, guess he won, and drop out prior to even super tuesday. We didn’t choose him, a had full of people in SC decided they were sick of Bloomberg commercial and somehow that turned into a Biden nomination.
Wow, your made up worldview of the election is fascinating. I suddenly understand more about how Republicans manage to convince themselves that Trump won the election despite literally all the evidence.
You are welcome to edit wikipedia to your “worldview” if you know of some reliable sources claiming different vote totals for the first three primaries.
If not, yes, you truly have show me how someone can deny the official vote totals put out by the state and claim some different happened.
I did too, because the alternative was Trump. But saying: stop complaining about old politicians, you chose them is insulting when 46 out of the 50 states only had 70 year olds to choose from in both the primary and the general.
*whispers* I don’t think he can accept that people like you are out there.
Look: I’m going to admit. Biden seemed to be the “establishment” pick (I was a Sanders supporter) and that vague, distant impression is why I didn’t like him until he actually got elected and started passing his policy goals.
You might have known he was going to be doing things like passing the CHIPS Act and banning slave labor solar panel imports and ending ICE worksite immigration raids and keeping student loan payments paused.
But if you did, that’s an impressive amount of political awareness. I’m genuinely not sure how one becomes that politically aware. And I think the person you’re responding to might not accept that it’s even possible.
I’m continually mystified by Biden’s low polling numbers, compared to his on the job performance (and actually, you know, being on the job rather than golfing all the time). “But he’s too old!” The other guy is just three years younger than he is.
Besides, if you wanted younger presidents, you should nominate them. Biden wasn’t not old in 2020. If you choose Methuselah during the nomination process, that’s kind of a you problem. Do the research beforehand and you won’t have buyer’s remorse later.
I think most people are so turned off by politics that they can’t be bothered to listen to actual policy, or so buried in ‘both sides are owned by corps’ propaganda that they assume policy changes are always harmful. I doubt that most of the people polling negative on Biden could name a specific policy or action that they disagree with. I mean, I would also like to see a President born in the last half of the previous century, but if the biggest criticism is, “he’s old,” then he must be doing alright. It’s an easy criticism to understand and impossible to refute without resorting to ‘so is the other guy.’
Alot of what I hear is people complaining he didn’t meet his promises. They ignore the fact that it wasn’t for lack of trying. The system is broke we have to try and fix it. And by broke I mean for the people.
I don’t think any president has ever delivered on more than a handful of their campaign promises. And even then, those outcomes are stretching the accomplish a LONG way to meet the “promise”.
The biggest win in a long time is probably Obama and the ACA, and that took a LOT and even that, though infinitely better than what it replaced, wasn’t really what he promised us.
Meanwhile, Trump is working on his replacement for the ACA, it’ll be available in a couple weeks.
That’s because those aren’t campaign promises so much as campaign agendas and the misnomer disillusions people, which is the original intent of creating the misnomer.
I pretty much agree, with everything in this thread, but it doesn’t help that presidential candidates themselves often use the words “I promise” or “I will” lol
Sure, he’s clearly orders of magnitude better than anyone the GOP will run and yes, he has pushed decent enough policy.
But around the world, I think people are looking at their left-wing parties and thinking that they’re not nearly enough.
“Bidenomics” seems to just be “neoliberalism with a hint of shame”. It’s certainly better than “neoliberalism and we’d feed you into a woodchipper if the spreadsheet said it would be profitable” but fuck, the world is burning.
Where is the trillion dollars we spent on war now that we need it to fight literal extinction? What are we going to do when the crops fail and the robots take our jobs?Why are there Nazis with political power and private prisons paying inmates pennies? Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
Why don’t we have ranked choice voting so we can find people to actually fix things, instead of offering us bigger crumbs?
Build back better has like half a trillion dollars for ‘green’ energy
The CHIPS act has already gotten commitments for 50 semiconductor projects in the US https://www.semiconductors.org/the-chips-act-has-already-sparked-200-billion-in-private-investments-for-u-s-semiconductor-production/
I don’t think that would really fix anything. I mean, it’s a good idea, and you can paint a few rosy scenarios where a great 3rd party candidate fails because none of their supporters are willing to ‘waste’ their vote. But the 3rd parties put up people like Jill Stein or Cynthia McKinney. They’re not big enough or organized enough to recruit good candidates, let alone voters.
Even if they could win elections, the congressional rules more-or-less force 3rd parties to caucus with one of the main 2, where they have no power, because they don’t raise funds or campaign for the party.
Good candidates should be challenging poor candidates at the primary stage. GOP candidates seem to live in constant fear of primary challenges from far-right nutjobs, but I rarely hear about progressive challengers on the Dem side, AOC and Cori Bush notwithstanding.
Ranked choice voting also can only be implemented by the states. The federal government can’t do that, so there’s literally nothing Biden can do except say “we should do ranked choice voting.” But I also don’t think he needs to! Multiple states are already implementing it. We are well under way with the experiment.
I can’t speak to chocolate and why we don’t do more at home, obviously besides cost, but the same countries you are holding up as examples are buying the exact same electronics and chips from the exact same countries we are.
They do most polling by landline phone. Those who have a landline phone are generally 65+ and Conservative.
So you’re saying that polling in this modern age is largely irrelevant?
Any polling that is done that way at least. The issue is there also isn’t any better way to do it at this point. Most people, including myself, don’t pick up unknown numbers on our cell phones. And an internet-related poll is just begging for shenanigans and skewing.
So, yeah, I guess polling is irrelevant, since there’s no good way to do it nowadays. The only polls that are still remotely accurate are exit polling done with the actual people voting at polls.
Sure explains why Disney fired Nate Silver. (Doesn’t explain why they kept his fursona Fivey, though.)
Wasn’t the issue there more that he started going down the Qanon conspiracy rabbit hole?
Didn’t know about that, but yeah, that is not a good look.
I was actually concerned about that when Nate got let go from FiveThirtyEight (though I think he still licenses his model to the site). Is there any further details on why he was fired?
I know right
Biden was old in 2020, he was old in 2016 too. So was Trump.
Nominating younger options would be great… Except we have 2 parties who have special rights and few restrictions - they can straight up throw out nominations if they want, and they’ve convinced the public at large that 3rd parties aren’t an option
We need ranked choice voting desperately.
Personally, I also think all votes should be write-in. If you don’t know which office they’re running for and can’t spell your candidates name correctly, you haven’t met a very low bar of education on the topic. Maybe your vote shouldn’t count
Biden looses the first two primaries massively, everyone desides to skip South Carolina because Bloomberg had dumps millions in to it. Biden wins it and everyone is like: yep, guess he won, and drop out prior to even super tuesday. We didn’t choose him, a had full of people in SC decided they were sick of Bloomberg commercial and somehow that turned into a Biden nomination.
Wow, your made up worldview of the election is fascinating. I suddenly understand more about how Republicans manage to convince themselves that Trump won the election despite literally all the evidence.
You are welcome to edit wikipedia to your “worldview” if you know of some reliable sources claiming different vote totals for the first three primaries.
If not, yes, you truly have show me how someone can deny the official vote totals put out by the state and claim some different happened.
This isn’t remotely true.
Second paragraph under the info box: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
I absolutely chose Biden
I did too, because the alternative was Trump. But saying: stop complaining about old politicians, you chose them is insulting when 46 out of the 50 states only had 70 year olds to choose from in both the primary and the general.
No I mean Biden was my first choice in the Primary
*whispers* I don’t think he can accept that people like you are out there.
Look: I’m going to admit. Biden seemed to be the “establishment” pick (I was a Sanders supporter) and that vague, distant impression is why I didn’t like him until he actually got elected and started passing his policy goals.
You might have known he was going to be doing things like passing the CHIPS Act and banning slave labor solar panel imports and ending ICE worksite immigration raids and keeping student loan payments paused.
But if you did, that’s an impressive amount of political awareness. I’m genuinely not sure how one becomes that politically aware. And I think the person you’re responding to might not accept that it’s even possible.