I dont think those protest voters were significant, people just think “food didnt get cheaper” and didnt felt like voting anymore. Thats your average voter mindset.
I don’t think anyone sincerely believed that protest voters were ever going to have a significant impact. I think all of the noise you heard was astroturf designed to knock Harris from both sides of the Israel political position.
While ignoring that for most people, their purchasing power also went up.
They want to pay pre-pandemic prices for food while making post-pandemic paychecks, and there’s no way that’s going to happen without guillotines. So instead they voted in the wealthy assholes who directly caused COVID and indirectly caused inflation/greedflation because surely those people won’t do that again, right?
I do not think he changed his stance, but I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the election.
The number of pro Palestinian people was a statistical blip outside of Michigan and certainly did not change the election.
I really hope the Dems reflect on why AOC was re elected in a district that swung heavily towards Trump instead of doubling down on their clear and tangible resentment of working class people.
Mike Huckabee is detestable, but that doesn’t make the current policies better. When it comes to genocide, splitting hairs misses the point.
I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.
I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.
When you decide that the better option is getting out of the car and jumping off of the cliff yourself, that’s when it starts being your fault.
lol. Ok. love the downvotes. The Dems have learned nothing since 2016. Blaming the voters for not cosigning piss poor policy and unpopular decisions, while gaslighting thr working class about all time economic highs based on shit like stock prices and CPI when the latter number intentionally neglects to measure housing, food, or energy costs. You know, the things that make up the majority of expenditures for the class of people who overwhelmingly swung towards Trump.
Go ahead. Call me a deplorable. I’ll be volunteering in the refugee camps like I have been since 2017. Will you? Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?
God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.
Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?
Well they had 2 levers, really. If you ignore the primaries
God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.
The dems have lost so much Latino (and African American) votes because the GOP quite correctly identified that they could sway huge amounts of them with core religious and conservative messaging. ‘No rainbows’ and ‘no abortion’ seems to have turned more of them at very low cost compared to convincing them Trump has the right economic voodoo. Big chance those kind of voters are never coming back, regardless of their economic situation
Considering Trump didn’t beat his 2020 numbers and Kamala came up like 10 million short of Biden’s, it is not clear at all that people switched sides as much as Trump pulling in first time voters and Kamala failing to motivate the base. That is to say, claims about lost voters aren’t backed by the evidence.
Yes, more Latinos voted for Trump than in 2020, but what percentage of that was from natural demographic shifts? I certainly haven’t seen that analysis, which is likely to skew the reported election day polls.
Reflect on why 10 million people chose not to show up that day. Instead of blaming them, blame the people who didn’t listen to them.
This summer, 30% of respondents said a gaza ceasefire would make them more likely to support the Dems. I’m pretty sure that 30% of 330 million people would have made up for the 10 or 15% of deeply religious people. Similar polls listed the economy and the wars as the most common issues for voters, but you claim- without evidence- that the motivation was abortion and gay rights, which poll nationally at 60+% approval.
Seriously, reflect on this so it doesn’t happen a 3rd time. There is no path to a democratic majority that ignores the real concerns of the working class, which the Dems have been woefully inadequate on according to countless polls over the last few years.
Am I aware that inflation was caused by Trump mishandling the pandemic and introducing tariffs and trade barriers? yes. Do I think Trump will be less racist? Of course not.
But I’m highly educated, privileged, and don’t have more pressing concerns like feeding a family. I will not blame voters for exercising their rights. You do you though.
I’m oh-so-sure you’ll channel that rage into something useful like community activism and union organizing, right?
Maybe I’m an idealist, but I bet working in and with these communities is a better approach than saying “you owe us because of the civil rights act”, while ignoring the fact that the Democratic party authored the crime bill that gave us the new Jim Crow.
What, exactly, have the Dems done to earn their vote?
I’m blaming them for exercising their rights? I’m blaming Trump voters for being idiots and working class Trump voters as being the biggest idiots.
It’s great you’re doing volunteer work but you sound like you consider yourself as an adult looking over mere children, apparently largely based on their skin color, and think your children should be given some slack.
They are adults, they can vote, and the GOP correctly identified that skin color is not something magical that shields them from having just as many idiots either holding strong conservative beliefs or believing in populist economic messaging. Preferably both. And if the dems aren’t handing them out any gifts because of their skin color anyway, then what exactly is left holding them from voting for the conservative party?
Now beware, before you go off accusing me again, that I’m not saying people of Latino or African American descent are somehow magically more inclined to hold conservative beliefs or otherwise being idiots. They were always there. The problem lies in the fact that now the GOP has found out they can easily target them. And in the US it always takes 2 smart people to cancel out 1 idiot, as the latter is much easier to convince to go vote.
What? I’m not “looking over” anyone or treating anyone as children. I don’t understand how you can confuse compassion for paternalism. I’m saying they’re full people capable of forming their own opinions about what is best for their interests and you’re calling them idiots.
I can disagree with them without condemning them or insulting them and it’s not clear why you would attack me or them.
I’m blaming them for exercising their rights? I’m blaming Trump voters for being idiots and working class Trump voters as being the biggest idiots.
So, they’re idiots, but you’re not blaming them? I’m not sure I understand. It’s either because they’re dumb (your position) or it’s because they have one lever to pull and the Democratic party hasn’t given them anything since FDR (my position). I’m actively sympathizing with them while you’re insulting them.
Homey, Nancy Pelosi is worth $240 million too. Boeing and Raytheon love Biden and Harris as much as they love Dick Cheney – and they literally campaigned on that fact.
Joe Biden is still president and over 200 children were slaughtered since the election. Tomorrow is the deadline he gave Israel for letting aid into the north of Gaza, but he will not enforce it because he also believes that there are no such thing as Palestinians and that they should die, leave or live as subjects to Jews so that Israel can annex all territory the Bible grants it.
Watch the efficiency in which they finish the genocide January 21st.
That will demonstrate how much you helped Palestine because you genuinely care. Pfft wow I could barely type that without laughing. You have blood on your hands.
Good job everyone who sat out or voted 3rd party this election. You saved Palestine!
I dont think those protest voters were significant, people just think “food didnt get cheaper” and didnt felt like voting anymore. Thats your average voter mindset.
The jump in searches for “who is running for president” the day of the election tells you all you need to know about the average American voter.
My heart sank when I read about this. How?! Were these people in a coma for the last few months?
Or maybe Democrats were that bad at running a campaign.
It’s funny how they consider they had massive impact until there are consequences to their actions. Then, it wasn’t much.
I don’t think anyone sincerely believed that protest voters were ever going to have a significant impact. I think all of the noise you heard was astroturf designed to knock Harris from both sides of the Israel political position.
At most it cost her Michigan. There were deeper issues with the campaign.
It’s funny how they were too insignificant to listen to but aren’t too insignificant to blame.
Apparently, food did get cheaper.
Thanks BIDEN (you know, the current POTUS).
Yet, after the election.
But, yes, it happened under Biden’s presidency, Biden should get the credit.
While ignoring that for most people, their purchasing power also went up.
They want to pay pre-pandemic prices for food while making post-pandemic paychecks, and there’s no way that’s going to happen without guillotines. So instead they voted in the wealthy assholes who directly caused COVID and indirectly caused inflation/greedflation because surely those people won’t do that again, right?
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this article is from 2015
Do you really think he changed his stance since then?
He’s also the new US ambassador to Israel. That’s from 2 hours ago.
I do not think he changed his stance, but I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the election.
The number of pro Palestinian people was a statistical blip outside of Michigan and certainly did not change the election.
I really hope the Dems reflect on why AOC was re elected in a district that swung heavily towards Trump instead of doubling down on their clear and tangible resentment of working class people.
Mike Huckabee is detestable, but that doesn’t make the current policies better. When it comes to genocide, splitting hairs misses the point.
Lol
glad you can laugh at the genocide happening with your tax dollars right now.
I’d be happy to know what the difference is. Some meaningless red lines that never lead to sanctions?
They already depopulated North Gaza and the West Bank under Biden’s watch. That literally already happened.
Dollars, my taxes? Wrong country, mate.
Good strawman.
I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.
When you decide that the better option is getting out of the car and jumping off of the cliff yourself, that’s when it starts being your fault.
And I didn’t (I voted for Harris, and also kept my mouth shut about her sprint to the right, like a good little Democrat, until after the election).
So you can take that accusation and fuck all the way off with it.
Now, now grue. We must not ever say “liberal” and anything negative in the same sentence!
lol. Ok. love the downvotes. The Dems have learned nothing since 2016. Blaming the voters for not cosigning piss poor policy and unpopular decisions, while gaslighting thr working class about all time economic highs based on shit like stock prices and CPI when the latter number intentionally neglects to measure housing, food, or energy costs. You know, the things that make up the majority of expenditures for the class of people who overwhelmingly swung towards Trump.
Go ahead. Call me a deplorable. I’ll be volunteering in the refugee camps like I have been since 2017. Will you? Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?
God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.
Well they had 2 levers, really. If you ignore the primaries
The dems have lost so much Latino (and African American) votes because the GOP quite correctly identified that they could sway huge amounts of them with core religious and conservative messaging. ‘No rainbows’ and ‘no abortion’ seems to have turned more of them at very low cost compared to convincing them Trump has the right economic voodoo. Big chance those kind of voters are never coming back, regardless of their economic situation
Considering Trump didn’t beat his 2020 numbers and Kamala came up like 10 million short of Biden’s, it is not clear at all that people switched sides as much as Trump pulling in first time voters and Kamala failing to motivate the base. That is to say, claims about lost voters aren’t backed by the evidence.
Yes, more Latinos voted for Trump than in 2020, but what percentage of that was from natural demographic shifts? I certainly haven’t seen that analysis, which is likely to skew the reported election day polls.
Reflect on why 10 million people chose not to show up that day. Instead of blaming them, blame the people who didn’t listen to them.
This summer, 30% of respondents said a gaza ceasefire would make them more likely to support the Dems. I’m pretty sure that 30% of 330 million people would have made up for the 10 or 15% of deeply religious people. Similar polls listed the economy and the wars as the most common issues for voters, but you claim- without evidence- that the motivation was abortion and gay rights, which poll nationally at 60+% approval.
Seriously, reflect on this so it doesn’t happen a 3rd time. There is no path to a democratic majority that ignores the real concerns of the working class, which the Dems have been woefully inadequate on according to countless polls over the last few years.
Am I aware that inflation was caused by Trump mishandling the pandemic and introducing tariffs and trade barriers? yes. Do I think Trump will be less racist? Of course not.
But I’m highly educated, privileged, and don’t have more pressing concerns like feeding a family. I will not blame voters for exercising their rights. You do you though.
I’m oh-so-sure you’ll channel that rage into something useful like community activism and union organizing, right?
Maybe I’m an idealist, but I bet working in and with these communities is a better approach than saying “you owe us because of the civil rights act”, while ignoring the fact that the Democratic party authored the crime bill that gave us the new Jim Crow.
What, exactly, have the Dems done to earn their vote?
I’m blaming them for exercising their rights? I’m blaming Trump voters for being idiots and working class Trump voters as being the biggest idiots.
It’s great you’re doing volunteer work but you sound like you consider yourself as an adult looking over mere children, apparently largely based on their skin color, and think your children should be given some slack.
They are adults, they can vote, and the GOP correctly identified that skin color is not something magical that shields them from having just as many idiots either holding strong conservative beliefs or believing in populist economic messaging. Preferably both. And if the dems aren’t handing them out any gifts because of their skin color anyway, then what exactly is left holding them from voting for the conservative party?
Now beware, before you go off accusing me again, that I’m not saying people of Latino or African American descent are somehow magically more inclined to hold conservative beliefs or otherwise being idiots. They were always there. The problem lies in the fact that now the GOP has found out they can easily target them. And in the US it always takes 2 smart people to cancel out 1 idiot, as the latter is much easier to convince to go vote.
What? I’m not “looking over” anyone or treating anyone as children. I don’t understand how you can confuse compassion for paternalism. I’m saying they’re full people capable of forming their own opinions about what is best for their interests and you’re calling them idiots.
I can disagree with them without condemning them or insulting them and it’s not clear why you would attack me or them.
So, they’re idiots, but you’re not blaming them? I’m not sure I understand. It’s either because they’re dumb (your position) or it’s because they have one lever to pull and the Democratic party hasn’t given them anything since FDR (my position). I’m actively sympathizing with them while you’re insulting them.
I do wonder who the billionaires are.
Homey, Nancy Pelosi is worth $240 million too. Boeing and Raytheon love Biden and Harris as much as they love Dick Cheney – and they literally campaigned on that fact.
Not very good at math if you think Pelosi is a billionaire.
if you don’t see the problem, then I don’t know what to say. I hope the boot tastes good, at least.
I’m sure he’s a kinder, gentler Huckabee nowadays.
Joe Biden is still president and over 200 children were slaughtered since the election. Tomorrow is the deadline he gave Israel for letting aid into the north of Gaza, but he will not enforce it because he also believes that there are no such thing as Palestinians and that they should die, leave or live as subjects to Jews so that Israel can annex all territory the Bible grants it.
How would kamalacaust have been any different?
You definitely sound like someone who’s willing to have a reasonable conversation.
Explain to me how she, or people in her orbit/administration, have said things even remotely similar to what Huckabee just said.
Watch the efficiency in which they finish the genocide January 21st.
That will demonstrate how much you helped Palestine because you genuinely care. Pfft wow I could barely type that without laughing. You have blood on your hands.
If you’re going to name it after someone, maybe try the guy in Israel actually directing the damn thing?
I found this video to be very helpful for understanding what happened last week even though it predates the election by some years.
https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA
Time traveler here, someone wrote a song about you in 1966
I vote for the democtratic party
They want the u.n. to be strong
I go to all the pete seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I’ll send all the money you ask for
But don’t ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, i’m a liberal
Go away. This is so bad.
I’m serious… Save yourself and delete this.
Explain.
Because Bidens policies that Kamala guaranteed to continue were going to save them?
Maybe a few more behind the scene tut-tuts and billions of arms to Israel would have helped.
Good job every Dem who supported Israel, good job for taking millions and millions in
lobbyingbribes. At least your pockets are fat.