• Arkouda@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL

    Can you elaborate?

    Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.

    Which Government?

    Pardon my ignorance as this is my first time using the internet, but I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.

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      2 months ago

      Can you elaborate?

      I just did.

      Which Government?

      I already answered this one as well.

      I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.

      No but they all certainly have some sort of system for requesting access to information.

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        2 months ago

        So in your world, journalists and activists trying to bring attention to human rights violations their country’s fascist government is committing in an attempt to bring in good change should be just fucked over right?

        Because those governments label those people as “criminals” when they’re objectively not.

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          2 months ago

          I’ll refer you to my previous comment:

          None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works

          Notice at no time did I use the words “should” or “should not”. We’re just discussing facts here.

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            2 months ago

            I love how you get downvoted by people who live in some sort of fictitious world. Kind of like the sovereign citizen nonsense.

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        2 months ago

        Can you elaborate?

        I just did.

        None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL

        This may be of some use to you.

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elaborate

        Which Government?

        I already answered this one as well.

        The gov typically need some sort of warrant, and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.

        United States of America? Canada? North Korea? China? Australia? Saudi Arabia? South Africa? Brazil?

        The point is the app was designed for secure communication, specifically from corrupt governments, which is why it is problematic to allow access to user data as long as the individual is breaking a law in that country.

        Or to use the example from the top:

        So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity? It’s criminal in some states to seek an abortion or help with an abortion, so would they hand out the IPs of those “criminals”? Because depending on who you ask some will tell you they’re basically murderers. And that’s just one example.

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          2 months ago

          This may be of some use to you.

          Can you elaborate on what you’re asking me to elaborate on, because I honestly don’t know beyond what I’ve already told you.

          United States of America? Canada? North Korea? China? Australia? Saudi Arabia? South Africa? Brazil?

          Yes. Any of these could potentially be “the country they’re requesting it from”.

          The point is the app was designed for secure communication, specifically from corrupt governments

          If you think that’s true, you are sorely mistaken. It may be how it is advertised, but it is not how it was designed. If it were designed that way, as many many different chat apps are, they would have no information to give up to a subpoena. AKA the “zero knowledge” encryption that was mentioned previously.

          it is problematic to allow access to user data as long as the individual is breaking a law in that country.

          I agree. For the third time, this is not my opinion, this is just how the world works.

          Or to use my answer from the top:

          The…law?