IDF: Whoops, tee hee.

  • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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    20 hours ago

    kill individual fighters

    They killed like 1 fighter in exchange for wounding a thousand civilians, including at least one little girl who died. The pager shit is every bit as indiscriminate as the bombing.

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      19 hours ago

      i think they killed like, 12 people, and injured somewhere between 1-2 thousand more, probably some civilians in there, but these are military pagers to my knowledge so it’d be weird for it to hurt a bunch of random people, but it’s possible.

      if you include the radio attack i think it’s like another 40 dead, and like 500 injured? Don’t quote me on it.

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          1 hour ago

          Hezbollah is a political party with 18 parliamentary seats and thousands of public service workers on their payroll.

          Saying these were “fighters” is akin to bombing an UNRWA center and claiming you killed 31 Hamas Terrorists.

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        Hezbollah was using commercial grade pagers because they’re a militia. The purpose of pagers are to contact them when their off duty. Many of these pagers blew up in homes, grocery stores, and other public places. Many civilians were killed and most people injured were bystanders.

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          18 hours ago

          from what i can recall, and from the stats i’ve seen, these “explosions” seem more like “really bad pocket fires” more than anything to me, i could see it injuring people. Maybe two or three standing immediately nearby other people.

          But considering this attack has only like 12 confirmed dead civilians or something, “many” seems a little excessive. I could see a few hundred getting injured though. Possibly a few cars/homes burning down. That might cause a few more.

          ok so, did a bit of a check here, 12 civilians died. That’s where that number came from. 40 people died total, i think. At least that’s what wikipedia tells me. I don’t think it ever mentions how many civilians were injured directly, but assuming it follows the deaths, it’s somewhere between probably 500 and 1000 i would guess.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            from what i can recall, and from the stats i’ve seen,

            From what you can recall? I’m sorry, but I watched some of those videos, and I will not forget them. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to just be shopping in a supermarket when the person next to you has their legs suddenly blown off 3 feet from you.

            It’s terrorism, plain and simple.

            only 12 civilians

            Yeah dude. “Only.”’ You’re right though, I guess Israel really has raised the bar when it comes to indiscriminate murder of civilians. Those are rookie numbers.

            • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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              Yeah dude. “Only.”’ You’re right though, I guess Israel really has raised the bar when it comes to indiscriminate murder of civilians. Those are rookie numbers.

              When your enemy disperses themselves among the civilian population?

              This killed way less civilians than a traditional bombing that would have got the same Hezbollah fighters would have.

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                When your enemy disperses themselves among the civilian population?

                Obviously, bomb the grocery stores and the shopping malls, then blame the people you were targeting for the collateral murder.

                FFS, I’m old enough to remember when Obama drone striking a teenage boy was considered at least mildly controversial for liberals. Now cluster bombing a flea market is the new gold standard for Ethical Warfare.

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                It’s funny how Israel made it a “normal” thing, to use firearms and explosives around civilians for the purpose of getting rid of, what they call, bad guys.

                Imagine mass-shooting in a public school where a kid tries to hunt down other kids who bullied him for the past few years. Oh wait…

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        these are military pagers

        They were a shipment for general consumption that went to a dealer near the Iranian embassy.

        The target was the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, and virtually everyone else was just collateral damage.

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      4 hours ago

      No, it’s not. This was a very tactical way of striking an enemy that hides behind women and children.

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        This was a very tactical

        Flinging a hand grenade into a crowd several thousand times over

        But it’s okay because the crowd was full of Arabs aka Terrorists

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        So would Netanyahu also be considered as hiding behind women and children? He’s out in public, traveling and lives in Tel Aviv.

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        Hezbollah isn’t just a military organization. It’s a political party. The majority of those pagers were in civilian hands when they detonated.

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        19 hours ago

        Can you confidently say you know the exact chain of custody of your cell phone?

        Some killer gets a pager he doesn’t need, sells it to someone to make some cash, who gives it to their kid. Annnnd boom.

        • lemmycdatass@lemmynsfw.com
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          13 hours ago

          No. Can you? How does OP know this about 1000 civilians? Don’t get me wrong. Fuck the Israeli government and it’s indiscriminate murder, but also fuck the lies. Speak truth.

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            Since you’re changing topics from “how could kids get pagers meant for someone else”…

            In war, everyone lies. But one thing I’ve found as an American is that, if you’re killing in another country, you’re probably the worse of the two.