• dsemy@vlemmy.net
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    Letting corporations brain wash you because you like using their app lol

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        If you don’t mind such things one bit, would you mind sharing with all of here all of the following:

        • your physical address (preferably in the format that would let anyone of us send you whatever we desire)
        • your age
        • your full legal name
        • your phone number that you use most often
        • your school
        • your work (its address, your title, company, etc)
        • your income
        • your expenses
        • the stores you go to and what for, also when and how often
        • your hometown
        • your pet names
        • your mother’s maiden name
        • your bank of choice
        • what tech you own in detail
        • your schedule
        • your search history
        • your browser bookmarks

        And many other things, too. Somehow I doubt you’d ever do that, but you’re fine trusting this kind of data to be handed away to many corporations for absolutely no benefit on your end. They’ll just sell it for cash money, only to be bought by con-artsists to try and scam you out of something later.

        I mean being a contempt consumer is one thing, but defending some entities hoarding more data about you than your entire family knows is just delusional. Especially given the fact that you are most likely more careful with your data in other circumstances, like talking to strangers or using the Internet for at least some things, but then you defend careless and irresponsible handling of your data when it comes to what, mobile apps?

        You should really learn more on the topic.

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          Let’s not forget: everything you say. Phones have microphones.

          And cameras.

          How many people are dumbfounded or completely unaware when amazon or facebook show you an ad about something you were talking about earlier…

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            This is where you lose people. It’s been proven time and time again that the mics on your phones aren’t transmitting things back without you knowing about it.

            Facebook isn’t always listening in on your conversations. They don’t need to. It’s useless data.

            Voice isn’t how they figure out what you like and are probably talking about at any given moment with other people.

            Here’s a short podcast episode that gets the point across: https://gimletmedia.com/amp/shows/reply-all/z3hlwr

            You could literally physically destroy the microphone of your phone, and you’ll still get ads served up like “they are listening to you”

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              You act like it’s impossible which really comes off as desperation for it to be true. Definitely not impossible

              If they could access those indiscriminately you could guaran-fucking-tee people would start taking it seriously.

              /tinfoil hat

              That’s why they don’t list those things in your app permissions unless it expressly “uses it”

              Zuckerborg probably watches people pee all the time.

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                It’s not imposibile, it’s unlikely, and would be noticeable.

                Dunno how app permissions prove that they are always listening when those permissions are required to access the mic at any point in time, including when you’re using the app and invoke it yourself.

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                    Show me evidence that Apple has a backdoor for companies like Meta, that circumvent their normal iOS functionality.

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          If you were a faceless algorithm yhea I wouldn’t mind, I’m giving my address and information to plenty of companies I get services from. Those false equivalences are why people don’t take you seriously.

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            Are you seriously this delusional? There is no “faceless algorithm”, they can pull your profile at any time and give it to the highest bidder.

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              Wait, you actually think they sell single profiles? Go buy some tinfoil, the lizard people may come for you with all that Google data

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                It’s usually not a “Hey, we give you a profile for $2”.

                It’s more like "Oh, you, political party XY want to show advertisment to 2000 people? No problem… We helped you filter the perfect people… There you go, 2000 low-educated, mid-20 users who were classified as easy to manipulate by our algorithms. Bonus: They are having a hard time now and are classified are ‘probably depression’ (lost children or parents or their home, …), so they are even easier to target at the moment. We will show them your propaganda for just $xxxx "

                That’s how they make money.

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            The faceless algorithm stores the the data in a database. From this point on, people with faces can access them.

            I am a software developer. If I’d create a faceless form that stores the data somewhere for me, would you enter them?

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            If you were a faceless algorithm

            There are people behind algorithms. They don’t exist for the sole purpose of gathering the data for the sake of it - the data is later accessed and processed by people.

            I’m giving my address and information to plenty of companies I get services from.

            And how is that different from giving any of information to me? I’m just trying to gather some statistics here, nothing more.

            Those false equivalences are why people don’t take you seriously.

            Is this why Zuckerberg went to trial and the EU is preventing apps and services whose sole purpose is to hoover up some data about you to become available in its domain?

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        Kinda?

        https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g97x/location-data-apps-drone-strikes-iowa-national-guard

        I’m also afraid of corporations teaming up with governments and using their extremely comprehensive data sets to influence public opinion.

        I’m also afraid of the fact that many people no longer care about privacy, and might not care if the government tries to implement dystopian systems like those seen in China, as long as it “keeps them safe”.

        Do you tell every person you meet on the street where you live and what your phone number is?

        If not, why tell Mark Zuckerberg?

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          Because I’m getting a service in exchange while losing nothing of value. Why are you giving your address at the post office? Your name to the bank teller?

          Same reason

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            So you’re not gonna respond to any other part of my comment?

            I understand you might not care about my last point, not many people do, but the first three are much more important.

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              You think the government, the entity that already controls all of your data and can sway public opinion by simply “teaming up” with ms media already, needs Facebook data to ruin your country?

              If you are afraid of corrupt governments you might aswell go live in the woods.

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                I’m not talking about my government, I’m talking about foreign ones.

                Edit: also, where do you think your government gets all this information from?

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                  What are are scared of exactly? China knowing what toilet paper you use?

                  I think you should be more concerned about the content they produce, not the data they get.

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                    How about China tracking where a dissenting Chinese ex-patriate is?

                    Also, did you read your own fucking comment? You asked why my government needs help from corporations to sway public opinion - my response simply clarified that foreign governments do.

                    Just look at what Russia did in 2016 as an example.

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            You don’t need to give Facebook information about your relationship with your friends and family members, your home address and location all the time. Just look at the information it collects from the iOS appstore, most of those data points aren’t needed to provide you the service at all. Its like giving the post office the list of people you have been in a relationship with just because they ask for it.