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    That is what I was hoping to hear.

    And I still say doing a stunt that even makes it look like you’ve done some real damage to Stonehenge right in the middle of a religious festival does not make you look like the good guys. People in another thread said it spread awareness. Who isn’t aware? I’m fully aware of climate change and there’s fuck all I can do about it.

    But at least it was not permanent vandalism.

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      Not only did they decide to do it in the middle of a religious festival, they did it in the middle of a festival that’s part of a religion that worships nature.

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      • Who isn’t aware?

      Like half of the world is in denial.

      How would you spread awareness that translates to action?

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        Denial is not lack of awareness.

        I don’t know exactly how I would spread awareness, but I know exactly how I wouldn’t: Making people think I damaged a beloved ancient monument during a religious festival… a religious festival, as someone else pointed out, for people who venerate nature.

        How about, as an idea, paint bombing Shell Oil headquarters?

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      and there’s fuck all I can do about it.

      Sounds like maybe you are lacking some awareness around this issue.

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          Lots of things but the easiest would be to find local orgs that have already developed political strategies relevant to your local political context and work with them. They can fill you in on the rest.

          Climate change won’t be addressed until there is a much larger movement that can flex serious political power. Think civil rights movement—that’s the kind of organizing we need.

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            Okay, now what can I do when I’m so sick that I have to rest for hours after walking the dogs for 30 minutes?

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              There is much work to be done and not all of it is physical. I don’t know the specifics of your condition but you are here posting on social media. At minimum, there is likely a need for similar work to be done in support of your local orgs.

              Again, if you find some local folks doing such work, I am sure they would help you find your niche.

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                So you’re saying don’t look like you’re vandalizing an ancient monument during a religious festival held by nature worshipers? I agree and that was my point.

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    All that hand wringing over what kind of protest should be ok, you guys are exhausting. The kind of protest doesn’t make a difference at all. A lot of people will say it’s unacceptable no matter what. I’ll even admit sometimes a protest misses the mark, but I’m still glad they did it.

    The kids are alright

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    Well good! It’d be fucking travesty to permanently damage a world heritage

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      Yes and climate change, also caused by people, is going to more than damage a whole shitload of world heritage.

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        Oh shit, was it that easy to fix climate change? To vandalize heritage sites was all it took?

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            Well I’d argue it does nothing. In fact, it probably is counter productive, so instead of nothing it does the opposite

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          Ah yes, it’s holding back the massive sweeping wave of change currently going on to fix climate change.

          No, don’t be a dumbass. It’s raising awareness, because it’s obvious nobody is giving a shit about this really fucking massive problem that is directly on our doorstep. Painting Stonehenge isn’t going to accomplish anything except be a nuisance, but being a nuisance is how you compel people to get shit done non-violently. MLK and his sit-ins pushed civil rights forward by being a nuisance. Gandhi pushed Britain out of India by being a nuisance. If you accept the status quo, the status quo will remain. You have to get out and make noise and attract a following if you want the folks in charge to pay attention to your existence.

          Trust me, you want them painting on Stonehenge for attention. This is the non-violent option. When this is ignored long enough, the non-violent option will be shelved and that’s when people will suddenly start paying attention.

          “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy, 1962

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            You would accomplish much more by voting and getting two people under 30 years old to do the same.

            Also I missed the part of the civil rights movement where they blocked ambulances and threw paint on stone hedge.

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    I pissed on all them rocks, y’all gon stop flying private jets now? Don’t make me get some Taco Bell and come back. These people crack me up, like I give two fucks if they destroy historical artifacts and it’s actually going to change my mind about anything.

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      They sprayed cornstarch on them, both piss and Taco Bell would be far worse. It is just about getting attention to people actually destroying the world, while not destroying anything. It would be cheaper and much easier to buy spray paint than to right cornstarch into a sprayable device… But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.

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              … So different people, different area and I am supposed to know what incident you are talking about, got it. Care to point to the incident or should we just throw everyone in jail that supports a group that did something wrong? Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights. But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA, they have promoted how many unconstitutional proposals and acts that went through before federal judges having to turn them down. Throw in the attacks on people… They’d be screwed. Every one of them is guilty of stealing personal information from hospitals, yikes.

              The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky

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                No same people same organization same country. Yes I do expect you to do the slightest amount of research on a group’s character before you start charging in and providing free apologetics for them.

                Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights.

                I salute your nobel victory over the Strawmen army.

                But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA

                Misdirection.

                The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky

                They blocked ambulances.

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                  So can you show me where these two people blocked ambulances or is your strawmen still feeding your calling out strawmen?

                  Yes the misdirection calling out your misdirection was indeed misdirection.

                  “They blocked ambulances”. Evidence these people blocked ambulances or you are guilty of everything you are defending with. It better be these 2 people as well… Or you are slandering those people. : )

                  Edit: Oh and for the record, I looked it up. It was about 30x farther than the clouds, and not them.

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    I wonder when these protests will turn into actual oil executive assassinations like in Ministry for the Future. We’re already rushing our way into a heat wave mass death event.

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    This group’s activism is so tone-deaf that I’m starting to think this is actually the oil companies pretending to be terrible activists.

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      No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to. The oil industry spends a lot of money spamming comments like yours because they know eventually, fools will start parroting it for them.

      What’s your reasoning? Do you think it’s ineffective even though it’s made world wide news. Is non destructive play vandalism of old rocks somehow too extreme of a response for the clear destruction of our environment?

      It’s hard not to be part of the problem, since over consumption habits are difficulty to get rid of when no else is. I won’t fault you for that. Protests aren’t everyone’s thing, whatever.

      At the minimum though, you could just not be a mouthpiece for the ones who are causing said problem. Seriously, like if you’ve ever given a shit about stone hedge before.

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        No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to.

        MMmmmmmmmmm No. It’s actually tone-deaf. And assholish. And idiotic. And stupid. And I hate them Sam I Am.

        Seriously, they are more damaging to actual protest movements than Big Oil. I’m seconding the astroturfing theory. Their methods are not just ridiculous, they’re offensive on multiple levels, and here’s the part where I disagree with my younger more smartical friends: IT DOES NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. “Oh but it gets the message out there!” And what message would that be? If the message is “stupid idiots deface art or humanity for shiggles” then sure, I’d agree. Otherwise it’s just more headwinds to fight against, a self-own for - well, we don’t really know why other than they think it’s great to be filming themselves.

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          The message is that people care more about non-damaging vandalism to famous objects than they do about climate change which will cause irreparable damage to many of these same objects, be it through hazardous weather, rising seas, or global conflict.

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    I think it’s a bit unfair they call it just “paint” when it was merely cornstarch that would wash off by itself.
    There’s a huge difference in the degree of vandalism if it’s something that wash off by itself.

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      This is by design and most people fell for it entirely. Even the second highest content in this thread is carrying water for big oil.