ROUND 11: 🇦🇹 Austria
FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX 2024
Circuit stats
- First Grand Prix: 1970
- Number of laps: 71
- Circuit Length: 4.318 km
- Race Distance: 306.452 km
- Lap record: 1:05.619 Carlos Sainz (2020)
- 2023 winner: Max Verstappen
FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX 2024
Well that was exciting at the end. The only thing missing are the long and tedious argument chains that would have been found on reddit with everybody arguing whose fault is it.
Do you people agree with Jolyon that Max going off the track to keep the position should have been a pen. The way I see it, Lando clearly pushes him off after the divebomb
Lando was ahead at the apex, Max should have backed out or when going through the grass given the position to Lando. That’s a pretty straight forward case IMO. However Lando did provoke him into that error for sure
I don’t think it’s that straight forward. Norris dove so deep he almost went off track himself. He didn’t leave Verstappen space so Verstappen had to go off track. Implying Norris had the right for the position sets a dangerous precedent where you can simply divebomb deep into the corner, cut off the entire corner and the person you want to pass has to give the position to you.
You’re allowed to almost go off the track.
That was to point out that he didn’t leave room for Verstappen. If Norris is already almost off the track, where is Verstappen supposed to go? Magically teleport through Norris?
Brake, wait for the road to be clear. Not overtake off the track.
But if Max wanted to overtake because he was quicker out of the corner? Where would he go?
Every driver has a few choices. Brake and wait, go off the track, or collide. You’re not allowed to overtake off track, and you shouldn’t cause a collision, so what’s left?
2021 set that precedent, that was Max’s signature move. Brake late to get ahead on the inside, go wide, and push your opponent off the track.
Max set the precedent that you can do such a divebomb not that you couldn’t retake off track. You’re arguing to make the move even stronger by disallowing retaking off track.
But that is not for Max to decide. The stewards could have given Lando a penalty for that. But Max definitely should have given the position to Lando IMO.
This was only because he broke so late that he did not make the apex and almost did not make the corner, certainly left no space for max. If that is how things will be, we will see max divebombing and going into people from now on because like Alonso he too takes advantage of dubious stewarding.
I can’t figure out the “rules” for that situation, as they seem very fluid depending on the corner and the outcome.
I wouldn’t have thought Lewis should have given the position back to Sainz, but l also watched Max barge Charles off there years ago with no penalty.
While Max was clearly at fault for the collision, Lando was optimistic on a few of those attempts, my personal favorites being “He moved under braking!” Where max looked like he took a pretty normal line through the turn, and “He pushed me off!” When Lando locked up and blew through the corner.
I can’t stand either one of them, so it was highly entertaining.
The line slightly different than his normal but nothing over the edge. I was shocked when palmer squarely claimed that Verstappen was the only one over the line and that Lando was never over it during the whole fight.
Max moved under braking multiple times, passed off track, ran into Norris not once but twice in the same corner, left the track maintaining his position, pushed Norris off track on the straight after the collision, then weaved and blocked Norris on the racing line on the following corner after it was clear he had a puncture.
Norris was overly optimistic going into a corner once and gave the position back.
But yeah, let’s go ahead and treat both of their behaviors as the same… /sarcasm
I don’t think it should be a penalty if you push someone off the track. But in this case I am not too sure.
Why though clearly forced of track and he was well ahead going into the braking zone. Can’t see why he should be penalized for avoiding contact
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it should have been penalty, but the previous laps were pretty hard defending from Verstappen and Norris was already complaining (imo way too much) so I figured it was the last straw and he’d have to give the position back.
Norris’ complains about moving under braking were fine because max was doing that to a degree but his complains that max pushed him off when he outbroke himself and ended up going off were pretty pathetic. Neither driver came out looking good from that fight