• Nougat@fedia.io
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    5 months ago

    Which IA failed to do, which is why they got sued, and why they can’t lend those publishers’ books at all anymore.

    I have no sympathy.

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      5 months ago

      Just want to let you know why you’re being downvoted. It’s not because you’re wrong. From a legal perspective you’re right. This court case was decided this way because you’re right.

      But that last line about having no sympathy. There’s a meme for this.

      “You’re not wrong. You’re just an asshole.”

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        It’s an asshole perspective that the IA dearly needs to listen to. Don’t poke a bear when you have so much to lose. Doesn’t matter if you’re “in the right”. The history books are littered with the corpses of righteous people.

        Let the EFF handle the quixotic battles, it’s what they’re best at.

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          “No one should stand up for new rights. Don’t rock the boat bro.”

          Your mindset is the road to a dictatorship.

          What does the Mafia do? Show up, “Wow you got a lot of valuable things here Be a shame if someone broke them. Best listen to us.”

          The Mafia leverages potential of damage to existing value to extract cooperation.

          I see very little difference here between the Mafia and the plaintiff.

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            “Societies with rule of law are dictatorships. How leaders are selected and the existence of fundamental Constitutional rights is not a factor.”

            How you like them strawmen?

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        “You’re not wrong. You’re just an asshole.”

        I made my peace with that a long time ago.

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              5 months ago

              you can still be an asshole, and have sympathy for the loss of accessible educational material strictly for the purposes of monetization. Unless you are one of these publishing companies, in which case you probably won’t be on the internet for very long.

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            5 months ago

            I have talked to a few published authors (most unsuccessful) and listened to a few successful published authors, and they all say the same as you. Some of them (esp. successful) give away free books on their website. They just want people to read their books.

            The ones complaining here aren’t the authors, but the publishers.

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          5 months ago

          That depends on if you see the current copyright system as far to start with. The current system is a far cry from how it was created and was co-opted by companies like Disney to maintain monopolies on their IP for MUCH longer than the system was supposed to protect.

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            This. If I’m not mistaken, the system was meant to operate like a hybrid between patents and trademarks. Iirc, things weren’t originally under copyright by default and you had to regularly renew your copyright in order to keep it. Most of the media in the public domain is a result of companies failing to properly claim or renew copyright before the laws were changed. My understanding is that the reason for this was because the intent was to protect you from having your IP stolen while it was profitable to you, but then release said IP into the public domain once it was no longer profitable (aka wasn’t worth renewing copyright on).

            Then corpos spent a lot of money rewriting the system and now practically everything even remotely creative is under copyright that’s effectively indefinite.

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            Copyright serves a very useful purpose. It’s just been twisted into something it wasn’t meant to be.