I think it’s the fact we are so scared of death that we forget to live.

Even if we stop people drinking if we open up the country to swimming it’s inevitable people will die. It’s about minimising that risk not about removing that hobby entirely.

I always think about driving a car. If the risk is less that driving a car then I think let’s do it. I get no fun out of driving but I think that’s not risky and I do it all the time.