1/ Russia’s security forces are reported to be in disarray following the attempted mutiny by the Wagner Group. It seems to have been perfectly timed for a moment – Friday night – when many personnel were too drunk to respond quickly, while others are refusing to fight Wagner.
2/ The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports what its sources are saying is the situation within various security organisations. At the FSB and Ministry of Internal Affairs, “Everyone is up and running, urgently reporting in. Now all the offices are like one big after-party.”
3/ “80 per cent of the staff smell of booze. Some of them can barely stand on their feet. Can’t arm 'em, can’t send 'em anywhere. Friday night’s the perfect time to start something like this. Everybody’s standing around, waiting for something. No introductions.”
4/ “A couple of hours more and the conflicts among themselves will start when [the alcohol] starts to wear off.”
5/ Unwillingness to fight Wagner appears to be a common theme. “There is real panic in Rostov, especially among the police. There is more than a 40 percent shortfall in personnel among those called up in connection with Operation Fortress” (to defend security installations).
6/ Wagner forces were able to cross the border from Ukraine without opposition, despite orders not to let them through. “Both the border service of the FSB and the Interior Ministry received instructions to stop the Wagner PMC. No one is complying, as it is not realistic.”
7/ Most ominously for the Kremlin, elements of the security forces appear to be actively siding with Wagner or refusing to act against it.
8/ “The defence ministry has lost control over a number of units and formations of the South Eastern Military District, it will not be possible to organise defence by the Rosgvardia [Russian National Guard] and the FSB. Local leaders are extremely careful in their statements”.
9/ “Attempts to counter Prigozhin are only going through the FSB and the National Guard. The Ministry of Defence has simply withdrawn, junior officers either refuse to follow orders or directly support Wagner.”
10/ And Shoigu and the [MOD leadership] team just hid and completely lost touch with reality. The fear is obviously serious."
Wagner is reported to be directly taking control of some South Eastern Military District units.
11/ “A number of units of the Ministry of Defence that participated in the war are beginning to come under the command of Wagner. Entire corps. Shoigu and Gerasimov’s people are being removed.”
12/ General Gerasimov himself has not been seen in public since the mutiny began. According to Wagner channels, he was in Rostov when it fell to Wagner forces.
13/ He is said to have "escaped from the Rostov [military] headquarters along with people loyal to him” and “is holed up in a civilian apartment with his friends in Rostov.” /end
I love that “wait until the enemy is drunk to attack” is totally a valid military strategy.
It worked for George Washington against the Hessians!
While in no way do I like or support Putin, this shit is terrifying. Imagine random mercenary groups playing around with nukes. Not that the Russian government is much better but this is objectively shitty.
Wagner is the only one involved and isn’t really a random mercenary group though. Prigozhin is (was) in Putin’s inner circle and Wagner was a tool of the Russian government. I don’t think this is all that different from a faction in the armed forces trying to stage a coup as happened during Soviet times.
Of course when nukes are fought over it is always scary anyway which is why the USA didn’t really want the Soviet Union to fall apart either.
Metal Gear Solid becoming credible.
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MGS predicted PMC’s with nukes and Death Stranding predicted everyone being stuck inside relying on delivery guys. Kojima knocking predictions out of the park.
The western news keeps using the term “mercenary” but I don’t think it’s quite right. They are “mercenaries” in the same way as the US security contractors are “mercenaries”, which is to say they are commercial entities paid to fight. If it were the US army though, we would call them “contractors”.
Mercenary is the plain language term, “contractors” is the political euphemism. US “contractors” are mercenaries.
Haven’t they been providing protection services to gold mines in Africa in exchange for mining concessions? I think that it how they are primarily funded now as opposed to being funded only by Russian intelligence agencies.
I’m just regurgitating what I heard on the radio this morning but sounds mercenary like to me.
Ok, guys. I’m no party pooper, and I’ve had my drinking days, but I think it’s time the UN has an intervention on Russia. They are drinking wayyyy too much. I mean, their front line military personnel are too drunk to stop a civil war. WTF, people?!
Never interrupt the enemy when they’re making mistakes.
I mean Russia is the country with the second most people with alcohol problems per capita in the world. It’s to be expected.
Who is first?
According to this organization, it’s Hungary: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country
They also have a lot of smoking accidents. It’s bad all around.
It’s a quite scary situation in case Wagner actually gains control. They are no better than Putin and may in fact be worse. No one I want to be in control of nuclear stock piles.
I think the best situation would be if Putin manages remaining in control but with such a weakened state that the Ukraine war is unfeasible for national security reasons, and war fatigue completely takes them so that keeping up with this shit is political suicide.
I mean, Wagner is just angry that they can’t kill Ukrainians as efficiently as they want and that the Russian military is shit, having them do all the dirty work. Remember this. That’s why they want the command replaced.
I would venture a guess that the Wagner group finally excepted a deal with the CIA to go after Russia…
If I was the Ukrainians I would seriously be considering shipping them MANPADs. Maybe it could even be in exchange for shells or similar.
Prigozhin genuinely enjoys murdering Ukranian citizens. Ukraine should never enter any kind of deal with him. He is maniacal evil incarnate.
If you don’t want to collaborate with anyone sketchy in that region, you sit alone in a corner. The Ukranians know this; they’re fighting a war after all. I think there’s a high chance this is a sheltered Western perspective you’re repeating.
Go ahead and draw as many lines in the sand as you want. The world will keep spinning.
The ‘weakened state’ could only come with far far more deaths of soldiers and Ukraine citizens and only a matter of time till this happens regardless. There certainly is a state right now in the next few months where where risk is quite high. If Wagner does succeed, I suspect all their energy will be focused inward and they will strive to become an energy powerhouse again. Particularly as the West is so willing to concede conventional energy production to countries like this. That could lead to a very unstable situation in say ten years when corruption becomes full blown.
Voted the most tragicomical war of all times.
It seems to have been perfectly timed for a moment – Friday night – when many personnel were too drunk to respond quickly,
It’s hilarious that this is a legit tactic.
So how does one do the napkin math on Wagner vs. internal security forces?
So, if this Wagner group unseats Putin…is the world really in any better of position? Doesn’t the Wagner group have strong Neo-nazi/white supremacists ties?
No, if they actually manage to replace Putin, it’s not. They are upset that they can’t kill Ukrainians as efficiently as they want and that the Russian military is too shitty at it. They are enemies to the West and they are enemies to Ukraine. They are hired criminals that kill, torture, rape and destroy. In fact, they are notorious for carelessly performing war crimes.
My hope is that this conflict will have them decimate each other, neutralizing the Russian military for the foreseeable future and hasten at least a more or less formal ceasefire with Ukraine while that cesspool falls into disarray.
He might be able to supplant Putin for a bit, but he won’t be able to stay in power. There are too many factions. It would be a choice mess for a while.
The world will be in a better position because this internal conflict dramatically weakens the Russian war effort in Ukraine. Whatever faction comes out on top will be rather busy “cleaning house” for a while - giving Ukraine more space to fight this war.
