Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.
Forgive them. They aren’t used to choosing their browser yet.
They’re Apple users. They aren’t used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work
I’d defend myself, but I work in digital marketing so I’m not going to dissuade anyone from using AdWords… I mean Android.
Funny, I see far more ads on iOS than I do Android
Where?
Don’t tell them about all the different ad blockers we can use!
We don’t have to, cuz they work 😉
They work the way Apple wants them to
They also work how I want them to, well instead of having to fight my own phone, it just works, go figure
Ok you get a free pass, make sure it doesn’t happen again :)
Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂
I’m sure the others were impacted too.
Edit: Firefox installs jumped 50%.
Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can’t say I’d recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.
We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.
Remember kids, if it’s Chromium based, it’s still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don’t let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.
The worrisome thing is that there’s no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.
We must defend Firefox at all costs, it’s the last glimmer of freedom.
Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I’m switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.
Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?“This Other Browser is just as good as Brave*!”
*if you install x, y, and z and uninstall a and b
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Still better than Edge or Chrome
as someone said, its randomised, and I’m sure that other browsers also saw more downloads
Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I’m human. For example it has “private relay” which is similar to TOR* so trackers don’t even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don’t block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic… so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can’t track you
99.99% of the Safari’s code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.
It’s not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
(* if anything, it’s better than TOR… with that service there’s a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it’s always one of Apple’s servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you… maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can’t)
I mean they did say few. Generally speaking, every browser is basically safari (WebKit) on iOS and apple doesn’t allow support for 3rd party browser extensions (least natively, Orion supports this somehow). So you’re already limited in that regard. If you don’t use safari , a browser like FF + VPN is IMO a better experience. You also have the option of just using wireguard and controlling your traffic at home/VPS if you’re into that.
WebKit might be open source but the browser deployed by apple is not. That’s like saying chrome is open source. They both use open source engines.
it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
You have this backwards. Google showing you captchas is basically them saying they can’t match your browser to any know (shadow) profile they have already stored. So they aren’t sure you are a human and if so which one specifically. Getting harassed with a captcha is essentially like a badge of honour for your browsers privacy settings.
No they don’t, that’s exactly what they said. Safari makes them do CAPTCHAs so it is the most privacy friendly. It is true that it has better blocking features than Firefox on iOS (because Firefox doesn’t have extensions).
Private relay is more like a VPN than tor.
Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.
That’s because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it’s HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn’t they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?
You can get one but not the other. Orion has been pretty solid for me, has all the lovey iOS integration so the happy chemicals Apple spent R&D on does it’s magic while blocking all sorts of things, but it’s closed source :/
Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France
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Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore
Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you’re stepping on a minefield.
Idk if I would advocate for or defend it, but I find mobile ads especially abhorrent cuz they take up more relative space on the screen and my upload speed isn’t good enough to be VPNing through my pihole anytime I’m outside the house
iOS browsers are just skins for Safari anyways, and Brave addresses my issue out of the box, so yeah
Because it’s listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably
The list is randomized, I’ve seen several screenshots with different order.
I mean it’s probably just alphabetical, but I wouldn’t know for sure.
The second one is Edge, and Aloha Browser exists
firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it’s too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat
Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
Granted, I’m a software engineer,
Lmao love how you inserted “software engineer” there like that supposed to mean something.
In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.
I wouldn’t say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn’t support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren’t problems with FireFox, it’s more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn’t work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that’s FireFox’s fault.
I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.
I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.
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Chart is a little misleading starting at 7% instead of zero, but still a nice surge nevertheless.
True. Other people asked so they posted another one.
IMO, this makes it look even worse.
That’s why they started with the one they did
Even then, this is still a solid 30-40% increase in downloads. That’s statistically significant right there.
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Worse, or… “better”?
Does not look as nice, but is way less misleading
Is that 7% or 7,000 installs total? The axis isn’t labeled!!
I see a k following the numbers, so I’m assuming that’s total number of downloads.
Article states installs per day
Not even seven percent. Lol. Seven thousand which is probably like .0001 percent.
That’s new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don’t think they’re trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.
For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.
Use Firefox with privacy addons.
Don’t worry, Firefox downloads in the EU have also skyrocketed.
Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.
Vivaldi is the best!
Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google’s disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too
But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!
Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn’t seem very sustainable yet.
I get updates every other week
but I think it’s in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine
Wasn’t the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?
Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.
and Mozilla has been doing poorly since.
Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.
Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.
He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.
There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.
The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.
Firstly, who says that’s happening?
And secondly, this isn’t entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I’m not saying this is your view, btw) don’t give the slightest fuck about gay people and you’re fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren’t, and it’s harmful to the business.
Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.
Even from a cold-hearted “fuck human rights, I care only about market share” POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.
But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.
This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension
Explain please , I can’t figure out how to use ublock origin in iPad
I’m going to do my best to give this answer when I’m less drunk tomorrow
So you’re gonna want do a space+command and type extensions, that should open the App Store to where you want to be, unlock is one of the top extensions.
That’s on macOS, not iOS.
It’s on iPadOS too
There is one issues though… Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I’m Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don’t work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn’t to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.
This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.
I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But… Yeah that’s valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I’m almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.
Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn’t Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we’ve come!)
Brave would definitely not be my choice 😂
That is fine, as long as people have a choice.
Certainly, but it’s probably happening for all browsers on iOS right now.
…in europe
That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.
That graph hurts my data scientist heart
Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I’m genuinely curious.
No it doesn’t.
It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It’s not a scientific paper.
It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That’s significant enough to shout about.
Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That’s huge.
It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine
Define “perfectly fine”. It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.
Of lies, damned lies, and statistics this graph is certainly one of them.
Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue…AY!
True.
I mean sure I guess… but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don’t trust their bullshit at all.
After all who doesn’t want a crypto wallet in their browser? that’s the safest place for it right?
I guess if you have no experience with it then that’s a perfect response. Meanwhile I’ve got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I’d be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That’s money they didn’t have so they are fine with that.
I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.
I’ve been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don’t remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.
Android is a fenced garden compared to the fortress that is iOS.
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I’m pretty sure the term jailbreak comes from the term “jail” being used on FreeBSD, which iOS is based on, which is an application sandboxing tool, therefore, a “jailbreak” is a method to escape that sandbox and gain elevated permissions to the system.
iOS being a jail is a pretty apt analogy, regardless, though.
I guess, but it’s like a 2 foot high fence
Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.
On iOS the browser isn’t really Firefox. It’s just a re-skinned Safari due to apples rules. I think now they are allowed to ship their own engines
They are but it’s not ready AFAIK https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872
Can’t wait to use it though and be able to install WebExtensions.
Yeah but the thread is talking about picking the default browser on Android. Which is unrelated to this post. iOS users can set the default browser… The user simply commented that they have been able to do that for a long time.
I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.
Same here but it’s not Firefox with its own Engine, it’s a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple’s restriction.
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There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can’t log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)
While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
Including that some features are optional.I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox
How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don’t reflect system primary settings.
I think it used to be possible to set your default “custom tabs” browser as well, but I don’t think it is anymore. I’m not totally sure though.
I don’t know why these apps use custom tabs in the first place. It’s always struck me as a solution in search of a problem.
They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.
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The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought
A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
It’s about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you’d be pretty happy about that.
Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.
It’s been one day
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are trying it out. I’m curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.
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Misleading graph trying to make a 150% increase look like a 1000% increase.
that’s a ~40% increase looking like a 300% increase
Read the left side? 7k-11k, the removed useless information, provided you read what is actually there first.
no one reads that. didn’t even bother to look. should be more transparent IMO but whatever
If you don’t how are you supposed to know what information it’s telling you? It could shades of purple for all you know.
If you realize how most people act and think, you can tell them lies while telling the truth. Which is what people are usually trying to do when they start graphs away from zero.
well yea but this also isn’t like important stuff so I didn’t bother looking
So keep your idiocy to yourself next time.
you say that as if everyone analyses every aspect of everything they encounter. most people will glance at the graph, see a huge jump, and not look into it more. that’s why statistics are so easy to falsify or make misleading
If you want to engage in a conversation or use that information, yes you should properly read it. What could possibly be added to a discussion otherwise? Just having people have to correct and call out your bullshit? Lmfao.
Since you are engaging in comments within a post about this, everyone would assume you read the graph properly, since you obviously can’t add to a conversation without actually knowing the information.
So yes, leave your idiocy elsewhere next time, read the shit, or don’t add your opinion, really simple concept.
Welcome to the transparency of Brave !
That doesn’t surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I’m all for more neutrality, I’ll just add 2 shower thoughts:
- Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it’s at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
- It’s nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
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The position is randomized.
That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy
It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero
Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.
The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.
No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.
We are not talking about Apple graph madness
Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this
I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.
Brave is evil.
