We badly need laws defining digital property rights, especially as it relates to accounts.
Regardless of whether you think it’s “stupid” or not, some people do collect reddit avatars, and have paid lot of money in pursuit of doing so. I don’t think that reddit should be able to just yank the rug out from under them unless they go out of business as a company.
Especially not when reddit has deliberately marketed these avatars to the kind of people who would start collecting them, then deliberately encouraged those people to contue spending money.
It’s like a casino letting you gamble all night, then selling you you’re not allowed to cash any of it out at the end of the night because the floor manager decided they don’t like your tie. You didn’t break any rules, but now you’re out a bunch of money. And in the case of reddit, there’s no recourse, unlike the casino. Because companies are allowed to create terms of service agreements which specifically prohibit you from suing them in real court or forming class action lawsuits they can financially exploit you however they want with no repercussions
I mean, fuck NFTs, but this is the kind of thing they were supposed to solve. The real issue is maybe it’s not a problem we should be trying to solve.
These avatars forever live on reddit’s servers. Much like an old video game which hosted servers for online games, ten years down the road, maintaining these servers for fewer and fewer people playing an old game that isn’t providing any new income becomes a real difficult cost to justify.
It’s why people, when it comes to gaming, prefer the option where the code to run servers is released in an open source fashion, so individuals can keep running servers for the game if they wish.
I’m not really sure how to keep running servers for avatars… Avatars that really you could “save” by fucking taking a screenshot and saving it to your hard drive. The whole thing seems a little superfluous to complain about when digital artifacts are so easily copied.
People who pay for digital content that can be sunsetted someday are fucking rubes and that’s all there is to it, frankly. I mean, seriously, an avatar is just a picture. Screenshot that shit and you can use it anywhere you want. I’m confused as to why people would pay for it to begin with.
I’m further confused as to why people argue we need stuff like NFT’s to break how computers already work fundamentally, to try to make it so people “own” digital artifacts instead of using the fact that everything can be copied so easily as a reason to leave that kind of selfish bullshit behind us in favor of a real sharing economy. We don’t need digital ownership, we need a digital commons.
Gentle reminder that property rights are part and parcel to why a huge part of the world is experiencing a housing crisis. Maybe acting like property ownership is the be-all, end-all of the world is the problem, not the solution.
I make NFTs and collect them (I know but please hear me out) and to me and many in my community it has nothing to do with property or ownership… Collecting someone’s art is just a way to financially support them, encourage them, and also to have a collection of all the art you were able to support.
I do it on the Tezos blockchain, which was created to use as little energy as possible, and all the art is backed up with redundancy on IPFS. There has already been one site going down (hicetnunc) and within 12 hours mirrors were up with all the same content etc.
That’s how it should be in my opinion… Free for all to view and play with, open to funding by patrons who want to support artists, and resistant to any kind of corporate ownership or shutdown.
My avatar for example was created by a friend (@guandanarian@twitter.com) who turned my avatar (self created) into an animation. I have it backed up locally ofc but knowing it exists on IPFS and the history of who made it and why is preserved on the blockchain gives me peace of mind, but I recognize that’s a personal feeling and I don’t expect everyone to view it the same way.
With the new [EU] rules, consumers [are] protected when digital content and digital services are faulty, and will have the right to remedies:
• asking the trader to fix the problem
• if the problem persists, get a price reduction or terminate the contract and get a refund
Until now, such protection only existed for tangible goods at EU level.
In many cases, the consumer does not pay money to access digital content or services, but provides personal data to the trader. The new directive on digital content and digital services gives consumers the right to a remedy when digital content or a digital service is faulty, regardless of whether they paid for it or only provided personal data.
We badly need laws defining digital property rights, especially as it relates to accounts.
Regardless of whether you think it’s “stupid” or not, some people do collect reddit avatars, and have paid lot of money in pursuit of doing so. I don’t think that reddit should be able to just yank the rug out from under them unless they go out of business as a company.
Especially not when reddit has deliberately marketed these avatars to the kind of people who would start collecting them, then deliberately encouraged those people to contue spending money.
It’s like a casino letting you gamble all night, then selling you you’re not allowed to cash any of it out at the end of the night because the floor manager decided they don’t like your tie. You didn’t break any rules, but now you’re out a bunch of money. And in the case of reddit, there’s no recourse, unlike the casino. Because companies are allowed to create terms of service agreements which specifically prohibit you from suing them in real court or forming class action lawsuits they can financially exploit you however they want with no repercussions
I mean, fuck NFTs, but this is the kind of thing they were supposed to solve. The real issue is maybe it’s not a problem we should be trying to solve.
These avatars forever live on reddit’s servers. Much like an old video game which hosted servers for online games, ten years down the road, maintaining these servers for fewer and fewer people playing an old game that isn’t providing any new income becomes a real difficult cost to justify.
It’s why people, when it comes to gaming, prefer the option where the code to run servers is released in an open source fashion, so individuals can keep running servers for the game if they wish.
I’m not really sure how to keep running servers for avatars… Avatars that really you could “save” by fucking taking a screenshot and saving it to your hard drive. The whole thing seems a little superfluous to complain about when digital artifacts are so easily copied.
People who pay for digital content that can be sunsetted someday are fucking rubes and that’s all there is to it, frankly. I mean, seriously, an avatar is just a picture. Screenshot that shit and you can use it anywhere you want. I’m confused as to why people would pay for it to begin with.
I’m further confused as to why people argue we need stuff like NFT’s to break how computers already work fundamentally, to try to make it so people “own” digital artifacts instead of using the fact that everything can be copied so easily as a reason to leave that kind of selfish bullshit behind us in favor of a real sharing economy. We don’t need digital ownership, we need a digital commons.
Gentle reminder that property rights are part and parcel to why a huge part of the world is experiencing a housing crisis. Maybe acting like property ownership is the be-all, end-all of the world is the problem, not the solution.
Copy that floppy!
I make NFTs and collect them (I know but please hear me out) and to me and many in my community it has nothing to do with property or ownership… Collecting someone’s art is just a way to financially support them, encourage them, and also to have a collection of all the art you were able to support.
I do it on the Tezos blockchain, which was created to use as little energy as possible, and all the art is backed up with redundancy on IPFS. There has already been one site going down (hicetnunc) and within 12 hours mirrors were up with all the same content etc.
That’s how it should be in my opinion… Free for all to view and play with, open to funding by patrons who want to support artists, and resistant to any kind of corporate ownership or shutdown.
My avatar for example was created by a friend (@guandanarian@twitter.com) who turned my avatar (self created) into an animation. I have it backed up locally ofc but knowing it exists on IPFS and the history of who made it and why is preserved on the blockchain gives me peace of mind, but I recognize that’s a personal feeling and I don’t expect everyone to view it the same way.
https://commission.europa.eu/business-economy-euro/doing-business-eu/contract-rules/digital-contracts/digital-contract-rules_en