Ukrainian drones smashing into Russian refineries lately seems to be having an effect.

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    Russia is one of the largest exporter of gasoline. I suppose the plan is to secure the availability for themselves while increasing gasoline prices in the rest of the world, but they’ll foremost be a nuisance to their closest trading partners.

    My country is not one. I also don’t buy gasoline, so I really don’t give a shit. For all I care, gasoline prices should increase, because the world as a whole has bigger issues with not buying fossil fuels than it has with economy or Russian domestic bullshit from a dying gangster billionaire.

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      I agree with you in sentiment about the need to divest from fossil fuels, but cannot agree with your “it doesn’t affect me, personally, so let prices skyrocket” position.

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        Especially since gasoline price increases affect everyone except for nomadic tribes. Everything you buy is more than likely transported via fossil fuel based vehicles. That fuel price is added into the cost at some point. Higher gas prices means higher prices for everything.

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            And I’m okay with it.

            We should be paying the price for using products or byproducts that destroy the environment. Cleaning up after production should be part of the price of a product.

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              I don’t disagree, but the problem is that the costs are always getting passed down to the people just trying to survive.

              When fuel costs go up, prices in stores increase; we all pay for that. If you live in a rural area / food desert, you’re paying more to drive to the store and then paying even more for groceries/supplies. All without any increase in wages. It also increases the cost just to get to/from work.

              “Just buy an EV” isn’t really an option when all your money is tied up just trying to survive.

              Meanwhile, the companies / individuals doing the bulk of the polluting continue to make record profits. If/when fuel costs go down, prices remain high much longer (if they drop at all).

              In effect, that just makes it even more expensive to be poor.

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      Try to remember that everything you have in your life or purchase for daily use is conveniently close to your non-car lifestyle because of hydrocarbon powered transportation networks, which doesn’t just eat the cost as a gesture of goodwill, the price of transportation is included in what you purchase.

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      Russia is one of the largest exporter of gasoline.

      At the risk of linking an un-cited web page, they look to be a distant 12th in gasoline.
      https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?product=gasoline&graph=exports&display=rank
      The source is supposedly https://www.eia.gov/ but I can’t find the original data there in any usable format.

      Russia comes in a distant second for general refined petroleum (not just gasoline) according to https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/refined-petroleum-products-exports/country-comparison/

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      I suppose the plan is to secure the availability for themselves while increasing gasoline prices in the rest of the world, but they’ll foremost be a nuisance to their closest trading partners.

      From the article:

      “The temporary export ban does not apply to the agreed volumes of supplies to the Eurasian Economic Union countries, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, RBC said.”

      So it looks like those are exempt.

      I also don’t buy gasoline, so I really don’t give a shit. For all I care, gasoline prices should increase,

      You may not buy gasoline, but you buy products and consume services fueled by lots of gasoline. However, I agree with you that we should be recognizing the total cost of gasoline, which includes its climate effects in its price to incentivize reducing its usage.

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      You don’t understand even the most basic principles of economics.

      I also don’t buy gasoline, so I really don’t give a shit. For all I care, gasoline prices should increase, because the world as a whole has bigger issues with not buying fossil fuels than it has with economy or Russian domestic bullshit from a dying gangster billionaire.

      This may be the dumbest thing I’ll read this month. I would try to explain why, but that would be an entirely pointless and exhaustive exercise. The short of it is that you do buy gasoline every fucking day and you love it.