I’m 32, I remember using the internet before google was a thing, discovering flashy websites, hanging out on all kinds of internet forums and chatrooms, ebaums world, MySpace, new grounds… I rember when YouTube was just starting off and it was exploding with all kinds of content.
I joined Facebook in 2005, I remember when it was the talk of the town, it used to actually kind of be decent, all the content was from actual real world peers.
I remember when pages became a thing, and you could like certain topics, and then eventually it unfolded into something enterely different, I remember when it became New Facebook, and there became a chatbar. And then eventually it became a cespool of garbage.
I remember when reddit was at it’s prime, I discovered it in 2011, I spent hours scrolling and engaging in discussion. The content was always new and original, every day on Reddit my mind got blown by something, this is before all the algorithms, and when upvotes and down votes actually dictated where your post would be jn the feed. You could litterally refresh your page and watch your vote counts.
Since then I’ve watched it change, I could always tell something felt off about it over the past few years.
Everytime I would google something on the net on my phone and click a Reddit link, I would be prompted to install the app. I tried it and it was shit. Once upon a time I could just open Reddit is Fun through the browser. Reddit made it impossible to do that.
Since discovering this place a few weeks ago now, I have been hit with a familiar feeling, and that is I am actually enjoying my time here as much as I did on Reddit in the early 2010s.
The communities are more grounded, there is no bot activity, my big long posts aren’t deleted after posting them due to shitty rules.
I like how it feels free, and everyone agrees to just follow the rules of the community and if the post isn’t quite fitting, people can vote on that, as it should be.
Thank you all for restoring something that was once great, I really thought there was no chance in hell people would get away from those platforms. I always told people we need a new website, a new Reddit, and I guess this is it.
One of my favorite features of Lemmy is that there’s an actual functional downvote button. So many platforms nowadays are removing the downvote button or straight up making it useless. I remember when YouTube used to have a proper downvote button and it made it so easy to tell when a vid was not good or clickbait. Even on Reddit, the downvote button just changes the total score but it doesn’t actually show the number of downvotes. Being able to see the actual number of upvotes/downvotes is such a nice thing to see coming back.
One of the many benefits of not having functionality tied to profit margins and advertiser ingratiation
I still remember and miss when YouTube (and one or two music streaming services) had 5-star rating systems. Probably not as sensible for something like Reddit or Limmy, though.
Netflix switching from stars to thumbs up/down still infuriates me.
That was when I decided to drop it. Recommendations worked so much better for me back then, regardless of how many people say it didn’t actually work.
As much as people refuse to accept it, there does exist a middle point in life of “It’s okay”.
I liked the star system, too. As the site grew in popularity, people just ended up 1 or 5 starring stuff.
For the same reason - the “useful content” and “not useful content” buttons were dumbed down to “agree” and “disagree” buttons on reddit.
Agree that you can’t really ask people to use a star system for message boards. Much less microblogs.
Look, I’m all for reminiscing about “the good ole days” of YouTube, but let’s be honest - the 5-star-system was pretty useless, and was used in the same was as up/down thumbs.
You would either rate the video 5 stars or 1 star. Always.
The switch to thumbs up/down made it much more easy to judge a video. And with the green/red bar beneath, you badicslly had a more condensed star-rating.
YouTube (or rather Google) have made a lot of bad decisions regarding the platform over the years, but I sincerely think that switching to thumbs was a good change.
Negative people are always saying we’ll never see anything like the early internet again with how everything is owned by corporations, but this last week on Lemmy has come damn close for me! Time to go be nostalgic about asking A/S/L in AIM chatrooms while watching flash animations on https://joecartoon.com/ eh @CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca?
(I can’t believe that site is still running!)
Oh man, frog in a blender! You bring back memories.
Now to go see if elf bowling is still a thing…
I’m 51. I started with BBS’s, compuworld, Usenet and MUD telnet screens. I’ve seen access to the internet and pre internet go from 1,400 baud modems to 56,000 modems to the 5G internet access we have today.
To me, the fedeverse feels like a modern technology in development without corporations ruinous hands in it.
I really hope the corporate hold on social media is breaking, because they eventually ruined everything they touched in order to squeeze every last dollar out of it.
Wow, 14k4 modems, those were great… after messing about with 300 and 1200 baud modems. (Never got the 300/75 one to work)
I live how the fediverse is more like the old bbs system, federative and not high-jacked by greedy corps. Maybe we’re returning to the core of public internet, before the masses swamped in.
BTW I’ll turn 51 in less then 2 months. ;) (gramps remembers… 🤣)
I forgot about my 1200 baud modem on my C64! Storage was a casset tape.
This is starting to feel like an iteration of BBS— edit: I say bbs, but really I mean Usenet. I guess this is like bbs with better threading and organization, and you login to your local mirror to see what’s new. I like it, just need to get my head around it.
I’m younger than you, and I remember sweet chats with sysops on BBS:es and “rapid fire” message boards (one, then two, then four! replies daily), Fidonet “mailing” and then “mailing” through Usenet gateways via BBS, Gopher, LAN parties with token rings, the thrill of calling phreaked lines to call up a BBS on the other side of the Atlantic for local phone fees. Then with Internet, the Play by Email games with space strategy and fantasy. The plethora of different MUD:s with various themes and boundless optimism and plagiarism…
2400 or 14400 baud modem handshake signals still give me that thrilling feeling of freeedom and futurology. Just last year I had some of them added to my white noise list to sleep better as they also calm me down.
Your comment gave me fuzzy nice warm feelings.
I’d love to know more of this pre internet BBS. What does it stand for?
@Labotomized
BBS - bulletin board system1970s-80s
a person would run a server (often from home) and people would dial in over a regular phone line and browse the forum(bbs) and leave a text message. If you had one phone line only one person could log in at a time. you might wait weeks for someone to reply to your message. Both ends needed a modem to encode decode from digital to analog and back.[sent from the microverse(mastodon)]
I’m a little older than you and share your opinions.
Ahh Usenet. That’s where I’d find my first internet porn back in like '94/'95
…I think. Christ it’s been a while.
I’m not saying Lemmy is going backwards, but I prefer this forum vibe I am experiencing here with people expressing their opinions and helping each other.
I’ll further date myself… we all had our own Geocities webpage back in 2000/2001…
Hello my future girlfriend days lol. Man those were good times
an accurate summation of my thoughts on the matter as well - the active communities (not the ones that get created because they were big on reddit but have no content here) are the ones I like - there’s intriguing posts, insightful comments, actual conversation instead of toxic arguing.
lemmy is like a breath of fresh air.
I’m looking forwards to people getting into their grooves on lemmy. So far it seems like most people are just copying the good and bad parts from reddit without thinking. Downside is that its not exactly easy to start unique communities on demand.
yeah - it’s really easy to create a community but extremely difficult to foster it and make it grow - even if you’re just dumping loads of content into it on a daily basis, if there’s no interaction then it’s… not a waste of time, but perhaps next closest thing.
I havent managed to find something that I’m passionate about that doesnt already exist, so I just contribute to those communities that I can, as I find them.
Aye, that’s why I’m trying to focus on replying more than just creating my own. Id end up just adding to the spam. The “bug” of instant updating when trying to sort by new is a bit awkward lol
It’s just a matter of time till someone has their eureka moment.
set your default sort option in preferences to Subscribed / New - then you wont get bombed by new posts as the various instances feed/federate. it’ll still screw up occasionally but it occurs much less often (and then you just force refresh the page to set it back to “normal”).
Guess what, I actually read the whole thing. (:
Guys we did it!
This is the better internet.
It does have a little early yahoo groups&chat vibe here, doesn’t it? Let’s just pay attention we keep the toxic and predatory stuff away that killed that.
Yes, this! I made some of my best friends on Yahoogroups as a teenager. I felt SO alone in the world before I found out that my fandom has a whole ass community online, and it was truly magical to feel seen for the first time.
It regrettably did get toxic. And I really hope we can avoid that here, but it won’t be without intentional effort.
I really missed the early internet charoom vibes. Every day you discovered something new, every person with a random handle felt like a human connection.
I still remember the day when I first talked live to someone who lived thousands of km away from me. Was a magical moment.
I hope that keeping the toxic stuff away will be easier with Lemmy. I think it will because Lemmy has no central authority. Having an area of the internet that is not controlled by corporate interests who are mostly interested in money and sanitize everything to be likable by the greatest number of customers is important to all of human societies, I believe.
The internet was taken over by wall street. The fediverse is a revolt against that.
That’s a pretty good timeline. However, as someone born in the very early 80s, I have a couple thoughts.
For one, “before Google was a thing” comment. It was popular very quickly and was not the first search engine. So I’m not sure what kind of context a 8 year old ( based on your age ) would have on the internet before Google. I remember before Google. I remember AOL v1.x , prodigy, the first web browser and using local dial up BBS’ hosted by the local news papers. Certainly doesn’t go back as far as some people, but I had a very clear before Google understanding.
Another would be Facebook. It used to require a college email. It was incredible. A space only for college kids. I’d argue Facebook died for a lot of us by 2005-6. Whenever open registration occurred. I liked MySpace because it was like a interactive profile page and nothing more. There wasn’t a whole lot of pressure. It was a way to let someone find you. Kind of like handing out a digital business card.
Anyway that stuff doesn’t matter. What matters is it was pretty clear and mostly agreed that the internet works best when we use open protocols and not hide community generated content behind login screens and apps. We agreed to continue to participate in adding to the global knowledge as long as everyone played nice and allowed the content we put in for free, can be indexed, RSS’d, shared and scraped. This way anyone can find it and benefit from it.
I have news for you all. It’s probably going to all get a lot worse far before it ever gets better. Discord’s rise in popularity is one. FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY! KIDS! PLEASE STOP USING DISCORD AS A PLACE FOR DOCUMENTATION AND SUPPORT ON PROJECTS. This isn’t some kind of problem that needed a discord as the solution. I don’t care if you want to use it for chatting and discussions and gaming ( matrix is a thing btw), but leave the documentation and technical stuff in a git repo where it belongs.
Bringing this full circle. Federated apps feel like the correct next steps. I think this path is the correct one.
I just used dogpile which was all the search engines in one.
Dogpile was my favorite.
For one, “before Google was a thing” comment. It was popular very quickly and was not the first search engine
Depends on the country and the rate of internet penetration. I think I used Altavista a long time until I’ve heard of Google, at a time when Google was probably popular in the US. And before that, not knowing what a search engine is, I leaned about sites by typing links from newspapers.
Discord is the PERFECT example of a wrong turn down the wrong path. All I ask is stop making me use it to find information on your open source projects.
I now feel guilty of nuking my every comment and post on Reddit. They deserve it, but there are also users I helped and might of helped in the future with my answers. Not on open source projects of course, but general help with apps, services and configuration. Then again, Reddit wasn’t the ideal place to ask for help anyway.
Bringing this full circle. Federated apps feel like the logical next steps. I think this path is the correct one.
I feel you on this one too.
Depends on the country and the rate of internet penetration.
That’s a good point!
I helped and might of helped in the future with my answers. Not on open source projects of course, but general help with apps, services and configuration.
I only used open source as an example because it’s the most ridiculous. Discord had no payment model for years. How exactly do people think they payed the bills? Do people actually think their conversations are private? I’m talking both voice and chat.
Then again, Reddit wasn’t the ideal place to ask for help anyway.
I don’t agree. Web forms are the perfect place to ask for help. That’s one of the main issue with what Reddit is doing. Feels like they might take 15 years worth of help and support and lock it behind an app.
I am enjoying Lemmy. I love seeing improvements everyday and I can’t wait for some smart kid out there to make all this fediverse stuff really work together in ways we may not have even thought about yet. It’s a great start but it needs a coding artist :) to really bring it all together in a way that will attract the rest of the population.
The barrier to entry is what keeps these communities healthy.
Do no evil google was pretty good.
Yahoo Directory was the bees knees.
I remember thinking AltaVista was the absolute best search engine for no particular reason, and being willing to die on that hill.
(I did not, in fact, die on that hill)
Anyway that stuff doesn’t matter. What matters is it was pretty clear and mostly agreed that the internet works best when we use open protocols and not hide community generated content behind login screens and apps. We agreed to continue to participate in adding to the global knowledge as long as everyone played nice and allowed the content we put in for free, can be indexed, RSS’d, shared and scraped. This way anyone can find it and benefit from it.
This to me is the worst part of the enshittification of reddit. All that human interaction and knowledge base is “owned” and controlled by a profit driven entity. Reddit hasn’t done it yet, but I think the time is approaching when they gatekeep all that data behind a login, which will prevent it from showing up in google searches.
Bringing this full circle. Federated apps feel like the logical next steps. I think this path is the correct one.
Lemmy is only four years oldand will continue to get better. There will be other projects (kbin, plebbit to name a few) trying to accomplish the same thing as lemmy, exploration is good. It’s an exciting time for social media.
Plus, the bones are good - it doesn’t do everything, but what it does it does surprisingly efficiently and robustly. And there’s the rest of the fediverse for most of it - Lemmy doesn’t need to handle messages, there’s matrix for that (there’s even a matrix ID on the user definitions)
There’s definitely more to be done, like user migration and modtools, but a lot of the shortcomings are in the client. And now that it caught so much attention, you’re going to see a lot of apps and different web interfaces very soon
It’s kind of incredible what you can do on the client side too since there’s no company trying to keep you reliant on them. I’m building an app, and while I’m prioritizing getting it out ASAP, I’m looking through the data and imagining what I can build on top of it. Especially when the rest of the fediverse is taken into account.
It’s like a new Internet built on top of the one stolen from us
Remember, what people like of the internet is engaging with other people. Content is secondary, outrage is clickbait to monetize ads. What we like aboud platforms is not the tech, but other humans.
I have to say it does feel pretty cool and like the good old days. No big corporations at the moment, just people figuring stuff out and doing their own thing. I’m liking this a lot
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Funny how it feels like the old forums isn’t it?
I’m glad we found this place.
That’s kinda why I joined Reddit originally. I couldn’t really work with platforms like Twitter or Facebook that are sort of about “me”. I just aren’t that egocentric. I don’t want to post daily shit about my life, and I also don’t really have an interest in reading about private daily lives of others. Reddit always felt like a classical forum, but adapted to have more of a constantly moving content. You were part of a computer / tech forum? Now you’d join some subreddits about this topic and be informed while also able to partake in discussions about it. Same for everything else.
I never wanted all that drama from the extremistic sides (remember T_D dominating /r/all through vote manipulation? Or “uncensored news”?), I never wanted the sluggish & bloated redesign with its thousands of awards and distracting animations, I never wanted mods & admins / AEO to turn abusive and / or completely incompetent (literally all my bans have been within the past few years, which was the minority of all my total Reddit time). And now they think they can dictate the content that once made them great & brought them to the point where they are now. If they cannot find a way to work with the users, then the users should stop working for them. Simple as that. Because in the end it’s the user base that made the platform great and filled it with content.
My biggest worry is that it becomes over moderated like all the subreddits.
I fucking hated writing a heated passionate post, only to have it automatically removed because I didn’t read the fine print.
I prefer when everything is voted on in the community, vs automatic removals and strict mod’s.
It actually took my motivation away to post, so I ended up just being a lurker.
The fact that there are so many Lemmy servers makes me feel as if one server goes to shit, there will be another one that offers more freedom of expression.
I also enjoy that that there is a specific instance for NSFW content, it keeps things organized.
OMG, writing a lengthy post just to get in auto-removed sucks so hard…
I’m hoping that mods will be fine.
I literally stopped to write answers on stackoverflow.com decade ago because mods were fixing my bad english (it’s another story) and always somehow kicked me for it.
