Former top officials from Donald Trump’s administration are warning he is likely to use a second term to overhaul the nation’s spy agencies in a way that could lead to an unprecedented level of politicization of intelligence.
On the other hand, the prospect of a second Trump presidency has the unintelligence community delighted.
And Russians
They’re included in the community mentioned above due to recent performance.
Russians have turned the Republican party into Useful Idiots.
Trump, who already tried to revamp intelligence agencies during his first term, is likely to re-up those plans — and push even harder to replace people perceived as hostile to his political agenda with inexperienced loyalists, according to interviews with more than a dozen people who worked in his administration.
This is why fascism always fails despite all its posturing about being “strong”. People in top positions are chosen for loyalty to the leader first and basic competence second. Then those people are turned against each other to make sure they never accumulate enough power under themselves to directly challenge the leader. This is exactly what happened to Nazi intelligence, and British intelligence ran circles around them.
It never works in the long run, but they can take down everything around them in the short to medium run.
Dan Carlin did a wonderful show about why the German army of WWI was much better than the Wehrmacht. And his argument can be summarized as “Do you really think Falkenhayn or Ludendorff would have tolerated Goering for 5 minutes before firing him on the spot?”
Maybe they could do something
Nah, they only do something when there’s a prospect of a socialist democracy rejecting American corporate interests… because the military industrial complex and entire intelligence apparatus is a tool of capitalism.
Corporations aka “the economy” = “national security”
Dunno, getting into bed with Russia seems pretty close to socialism
Not really.
It’s Citizens United, so free market politics.
Putin is just playing the game the US made up.
Man, given what the intelligence agencies are known for, I don’t exactly want them interfering in US elections.
Maybe just this once, as a treat
It starts as just a treat, then dessert, then it’s the main course, and before you know it, it’s three meals a day of spookocracy.
Cheeto Benito just outs intelligence assets on a whim, him being in charge makes us less safe in many ways. He is proof we are an unreliable ally.
America has been rendered effectively schizophrenic.
Biden is as appealing to the public as taking haldol. Surely there must be a better way.
yeah…the last 50 years wasn’t the proof, no…Hey remember what happened to allies like Iraq and Afghanistan?
Where are the assassin-spies then? If they’re so nervous… do something about it? We all know you can. NSA, if you’re listening…
where are all the assassins…
History suggests they’re probably all Republican.
“if”
To everyone suggest he gets JFKd…
I bet you it’s on the table. And the intelligence communities are weighing on how much of a martyr it’ll make him/if it’ll spark a civil war.
Just keep feeding him burgers until he chokes. No one would be the wiser.
Andrew Lloyd Webber should team up with Mike Judge to write the musical, Idiocracy Superstar.
Maybe they should share some intelligence
Asking honestly: do you think doing so would change anything?
Possibly, but it would ultimately depend on what news outlets pick it up. The die hard fox watchers / newsmax / OANN etc are lost causes. However, with independents, a constant reminder of new fuckery is good press to help remind people that he’s shittier than anyone can imagine.
Realistically, and sadly, it probably would never make it to or sink into the heads of folks that really matter.
The way I see it, if the Americans end up picking a president who ranked among the bottom 5 presidents of all times, it’s their own fault for doing so and they should enjoy the consequences of that.
The issue is, that the rest of the World will also “enjoy” the consequences of that, because you can’t just ignore 300 Million people…
It’s a fair point but I think the world is getting better at and more prepared to do so. The rest of the world can easily ignore 300mil people. We do it with many others. It’s the fact that it’s the US that makes it harder to ignore. IMO Trump was the trigger that inspired countries ans allies to cut or limit dependencies on single countries like the US, China and Russia.
Only Europe (continental and Australia) effectively did something. For anyone else, it’s prettyich business as usual.
Ok, then do something about it
Overthrow the government?
Fairly certain the not-so-intelligent community is just cheering him on, though.
(Reads article) Wait…remember when the Deep State was called conspiracy bullshit?
Ditto the intelligent community.
Damn, I guess the Democrats should put up a strong candidate.
You mean like the incumbent president who is far and away objectively better than Trump?
And, as I have to keep reminding people, the only person who has actually beaten Trump before.
I would hope that the Democrats have someone better than a president that, not only ignores the genocide going on in Gaza, but is actively contributing to the continuation of that genocide.
Edit: This is the main reason why I am so reluctant to consider voting for Biden.
You are a fucking idiot. Russia has you by the nuts. So if democrats lose and Trump wins and continues the genocide then what smart ass?
Very convincing argument, I am certain you are a wonder to be around. If you read further down the comment chain, you can see why I am taking the stance that I am.
Rock > Biden < hard place.
Israel being a mess the US is largely responsible for there was no chance of condemning them outright. That country has been pampered and enriched by Uncle Sam for 70 years. Anything short of complete solidarity would have incurred the wrath of all and sundry.
Biden is the strongest polling candidate against Trump
Keep repeating that b.s until you believe it in your heart. Still won’t be true, but you’ll be a good parrot who deserves his cracker.
I mean here is some evidence: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4470956-biden-trump-harris-newsom-poll/
That’s a great article explaining why Biden is a bowl of creamy shit compared to other candidates that are bowls of steaming chunky diarrhea.
The way I am going to go into this election is to vote 3rd party. If trump wins, he will either have a very underwhelming term and lose his fanbase or completely destroy the government and break the status quo. Assuming he goes the extreme route, the US will either rise up and competely reform the government or we had no hope of that ever happening in the first place. I’m tired of voting for the lesser evil.
Edit: Disliking this comment is cool and all, but I’d like to actually hear why people disagree. I am willing to change my mind if an adequate reason is provided. For anyone saying there will be domestic pain if Trump is elected, I am living in the US as well. This will also open the eyes of people who think politics are separate from their lives.
Edit2: Thanks for responding, I really appreciate the given perspectives. I am not a politics major, so I know there is always more I can learn.
Edit3: Thank you to those who provided legitimate reasoning and sources. It looks like the only viable option is to avoid a repeat of history, where the minority Nazi party ended up running Germany, by voting for Genocide Joe. God I hate this bs political system.
The way I am going to go into this election is to vote 3rd party
That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.
If trump wins, he will either have a very underwhelming term and lose his fanbase or completely destroy the government and break the status quo
Nothing here has any bearing in reality or past precedence. It won’t matter if Trump “wins” by one vote or twenty votes, his behavior will be exactly the same (and the people pulling his strings will enact their plans regardless.). He certainly acted like he had a “mandate” during his first term despite losing the popular vote, and he’s not a complex force to understand- he will absolutely be worse the second time
Assuming he goes the extreme route, the US will either rise up and competely reform the government or we had no hope of that ever happening in the first place.
GTFO here with that accelerationist bullshit. You don’t like Biden? Fine- you’re free to. Hold your nose and vote for him anyway, because things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people if you don’t. The US system isn’t set up to allow people to vote ideologically, so we have to vote strategically. The sooner American voters grow up and accept that fact, the sooner we can start working to actually fix the system.
That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.
no, it’s not. only voting for trump is voting for trump.
That is demonstrably wrong under a “first past the post” system. You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win. It doesn’t matter how much you hate it or want it to be wrong, it’s a mathematical certainty. Like I already said, Americans don’t get to vote ideologically precisely because the system doesn’t allow it. If you think Donald Trump is the absolute worst candidate on the field, then any vote other than for (the presumed Democratic candidate) Biden is just helping Trump win.
You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win.
this is election misinformation. a vote for Jill Stein cannot be counted as a vote for trump or Biden.
On paper it’s a vote for Jill, but in effect it’s a vote for the party you dislike more. Are you more of a practical person or more of a person concerned with technicalities?
This
this is election misinformation.
is wrong, because this
a vote for Jill Stein cannot be counted as a vote for trump or Biden.
isn’t what I said.
I don’t want Biden or Trump to win. I have an ideological opposition to voting for people I don’t want to win.
How many times have the Democrats held power and done absolutely nothing with it? How long do we have to keep voting for the lesser evil? Why is the main platform the Democrats are running on that “Trump is evil, so vote for Biden”? Is the strongest candidate the Democrats can provide a genocidal old man?
I don’t expect anything substantial to happen with Democrats. Change will not come from them.
I do know that Republicans under Trump will do everything they can to actively stop change from the places it can come from, which is the bottom-up.
How many times have the Democrats held power and done absolutely nothing with it?
Far too often.
How long do we have to keep voting for the lesser evil?
Until you can get enough people in the government who want to change it. Get rid of the FPTP system then you can vote for whoever you want.
Why is the main platform the Democrats are running on that “Trump is evil, so vote for Biden”?
…what sane person needs more than that? We already know how bad Trump was the first time, and we know already what he and his handlers are planning for a second term. I have no idea why that’s not sufficient motivation.
Is the strongest candidate the Democrats can provide a genocidal old man?
Again, the alternative is Donald Fucking Trump. Is Biden the “best” choice for America? If we’re talking in terms of progress, probably not- but he’s the best choice the money behind the Democratic Party is willing to support.
You have to keep voting for the lesser evil for another 40 years lol.
That’s all they have to offer. Until we get money out of politics both the dem and republican candidate will be sucking the dicks of their corporate donors.
Unless Biden does a 180 and changes his stance on a few issues I’m leaving president blank on my ballot. And I’m also voting against Biden in the primary for my state.
The DNC isn’t beholden to voters anyway, they already made that point a few election cycles ago.
If our country is so beholden to corporate donors that these are our two options, we are fucked anyways. We already live in an oligarchy.
I hate to break it to you, but there will be no post-Trump revolution. Should Trump be elected, the GOP has already released their plan for what the first year of his 2nd term would look like. Essentially, kiss any semblance of a democracy goodbye. A uprising against the US government by the people? Good luck. The US government and military has thermal imaging, predator drones, nukes, and weaponry you haven’t even dreamt of. If Trump has that in his possession, it’s game over. A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the popular candidate, which in this case is Trump.
I wonder if “the lesser evil” will seem so bad when Trump has removed all rights from non-white, non-male people.
People in the military are US citizens as well. They have families in the US. Do you really think the majority of the military would be ok with killing tons of US citizens just so the president can hold onto power? As a vet, I can say the military is not as militaristic as they would like you to believe.
Let’s see how long that lasts once Trump starts putting his yes men in positions of power within the military. You know… Like other countries have done.
Then they make a version of the SS to keep regular army units inline…
A third party vote is a vote for whoever you hate most.
In first past the post voting, like we have today, you don’t vote for a candidate. You vote against the candidate you hate the most. Only the two leading parties matter. This is a fact, not an opinion. Evidence in the link below.
So if you really hate Biden the most, and you vote third party, you’re effectively handing Biden a vote.
Here’s a short cute video that helped me wrap my brain around it. https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?si=lK4IKv2MF4uXI6UI
Thank you, very informative!
Assuming he goes the extreme route, the US will either rise up and competely reform the government or we had no hope of that ever happening in the first place.
So, accelerationism. Which does not work.
Would you mind linking a video or article you would recommend on why accelerationism is a bad thing? I can look it up, but if you have any recommendations, it would make it a lot faster.
https://richardcoyne.com/2017/05/14/whats-wrong-with-accelerationism/
Some of the left wing parties of Weimar Germany thought that letting Hitler have power would inevitably collapse the system. It’d get so bad that the people would have to spark the revolution.
Obviously, it didn’t work out that way. The Nazis left Germany in ruins, and what came out of the ashes was a split country. The western half became as neoliberal capitalist as the rest of western Europe (though with more of the sharp edges filled off compared to the United States today), and the eastern half fell under the USSR’s own unique form of fascism.
To be clear: fascism is ultimately self defeating. How it fails has a range of possibilities, but it doesn’t end in a clear path towards a great communist utopia.
Ah, read the article and a few others. I would say that my current views are close to Left-Wing Accelerationism. To my understanding, the issue with Accelerationism is the gamble it would be taking on the majority views of USA occupants? I.E. if the majority is right leaning we will most likely end up worse off for a while, while if the majority is left leaning, we will be in a much better place than we started. With the potential price being thousands of lives. Which is why the Left is pushing for Biden votes, so that risk is removed and we at least keep the status quo. Right?
I really, really, appreciate seeing someone not dig their heels in at the sight of downvotes and actually continuing the conversation to learn about the other perspective.
Kudos to you, and thank you for reminding me why I hate Reddit and other social media where opinions are unchangeable and there is no grey between black and white.
I hear you brother, doing the same.
They are just going to say the same talking points they say every election. Not voting for the dem is the same as voting for trump. Which is not true. If Biden cared about your vote he would change his policy stances.
