So, with news of Reddit making deals to sell user data for AI training, I think we should really start organizing ourselves for an effective migration campaign.

I believe one of the (many) reasons that the summer protests failed was its lack of focus. There was an overall idea of “going dark” as an attempt to get Reddit to backtrack on some of its decisions, but once they double down on their decision there was no followup and creation of a credible threat, so only the more strong-willed really stuck by their principles and left reddit, the majority just shrugged it off and went back to their niche communities.

This long tail of niche communities is Reddit’s biggest strength. There are plenty of places where people can find general news or share memes, but there is only one place that can connect people with its many different interests. This is why so many of you surely went to Reddit, despite our best efforts to bring enough people around here.

So, how about we change the strategy? If the general “spray and pray” approach only managed to bring 0.008% of Reddit’s userbase to Lemmy, how about we put our focus on bring as many people as possible from a single one?

We should look into a subreddit with the following characteristcs:

  • Not too big in size, around 100k - 300k subscribers.
  • Still fairly active.
  • Very specific in focus. Ideally, it would be a local community, but we could also think of a not-so popular subreddit dedicated to a niche hobby.
  • The moderators of the subreddit need to be willing to participate, and follow through with the migration. That means, they need to keep promoting the Lemmy alternative until our corresponding community is at least as big as the Reddit one.

I’m thinking one potential candidate would be /r/adelaide (158k subscribers, multiple posts per day) but I haven’t talked with any of the moderators so I don’t know how that would go. (Any admins from aussie.zone that could chime in?) Of course, this is just an idea and if any would you think of another sub that could also work better we can talk about it. The important thing is not to spend too much time worrying on what subreddit we are going to push, just that we need to choose one and only one.

Once we find a subreddit that fits the bill, then our efforts go to supporting the subscribers to help them find a client, setup their account, subscribe to the new community and unsubscribe from the subreddit.

We don’t even need to encourage them to leave Reddit altogether, we just need to get them to go through the motions of setting up Lemmy for one community. I think if we do that, it will be a lot easier to keep us all focused on the goal, the overall network effects won’t be such a problem and the coming users will be more likely to stick.

This is already a wall of text, and I’m sure there will be plenty of people who will shoot this idea down for numerous reasons, but overall I really haven’t given up hope on the Fediverse as the future of the Internet. We just need to work a bit for it.

  • Wanderer@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    There are some top level issues are some smaller (but no less problematic) issues underneath.

    They probably need to be spoken about.

    The big two are:

    Issue 1) Why should I leave, or partially leave reddit?

    Issue 2) Why should I go to lemmy?

    The issues I have and have heard about.

    1. Isn’t it full of tankies and trannies?

    2. Do I join lemmy.com or what? There are a load of websites which do I join? How do I join?

    3. Is there a app for this?

    4. Isn’t it dead over there?

    And remember a lot more people read comments than reply to them, or even vote on them. Just because no one asked about something doesn’t mean 10 people didn’t read you comment and think. “I’m not going there because of XYZ”

    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      Issue 1) Why should I leave, or partially leave reddit?

      Reddit is undergoing a process of Enshittification, is constantly trying to trick you with new ways to display ads as posts, sells your data, and suffers from centralized corporate control.

      Issue 2) Why should I go to lemmy?

      Lemmy (and other fediverse options, like Piefed) is the only long-term solution to enshittification or good owners inevitably selling out to for-profit companies. If we stay with Reddit or any other closed-source privately owned social media platform, it will simply start the cycle anew, just like Reddit was the beginning of a new cycle after Digg became enshittified.

      Granted, for the average user, both of those answers probably don’t really matter, but I’m not sure we should be targetting them initially anyway, they’re happy with being abused, and would be difficult to convince to switch.

      1. Isn’t it full of tankies and trannies?

      The tankies are thankfully isolated to their little corners of the fediverse, since most instances defederated from them. As for the second part, uhm… If that’s a problem, I’m not sure if we’d want them here anyway.

      Do I join lemmy.com or what? There are a load of websites which do I join? How do I join?

      https://join-lemmy.org/ has revamped the onboarding process, and I think solves any confusion that may have existed.

      Is there a app for this?

      https://join-lemmy.org/apps gives a nice list of those at a glance, though they could’ve made the link to that page a little more prominent. Searching ‘lemmy’ on an appstore would also bring up some apps.