• FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Donald Trump: “I’m inviting Russia to attack other nations if they don’t do XYZ”

    Other people: “Trump is inviting Russia to attack other nations”

    You: “No, other nations are inviting the attack themselves by doing XYZ”

    Do you not see how ridiculous this sounds?

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      Obviously it would be best if trump didn’t say something so unhinged but no one thinks trump is inviting Russia to invade.

      Nato is undermining itself by doing nothing and putting their entire security burden on one country in a completely different continent. Trump is threatening nato. He is saying you better carry your weight or we may not save you.

      I would argue that trumps threat should strengthen nato because if he is elected then his stance puts pressure on nato members to meet their obligations. Nato members meeting their obligations makes nato stronger. If nato members are worried about getting invaded and having no support from the us there is a simple solution contribute 2% gdp to military spending. If nato members are so worried about an invasion then they should probably participate in their military alliance.

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        Obviously it would be best if trump didn’t say something so unhinged but no one thinks trump is inviting Russia to invade.

        I 100% think that Trump is inviting Russia to invade. He’s literally stated multiple times that if he were president, he’d try to end the Russian invasion by making Ukraine surrender. That’s literally his stated goal. How is that not inviting Russia to invade?

        And he also wants to pull the US out of NATO, which would weaken it and make it far easier for individual members to be attacked. Again, that’s his stated goal. How does this not make Russian invasions much easier?

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          The quote is talking about an invasion of a nato state not Ukraine.

          He only wants to pull the us out of nato because nato is carried by the us and provide nothing. If nato members actually met their obligations he would have no issue remaining. To me that’s a reasonable stance.

          Edit: actually its not fair to say trump wants to pull the US out of Nato. Its clear to Nato that the US does not want to leave nato but they(trumps admin) are playing hardball to force Nato members to meet their obligations.

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            9 months ago

            You are absolutely brainwashed.

            “Oh yeah, he is inviting a Russian invasion of that one country, but surely not any others!”

            “Yeah, he keeps saying he wants to pull out of NATO, but he doesn’t really plan to”

            And what will you say when he actually follows through on both accounts? “It’s the countries fault, they didn’t follow his demands, they made him do it”

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              9 months ago

              If trump pulls out of nato I wouldn’t blame the us. The blame would clearly be on the nato members who have repeatedly failed to uphold their security agreements.

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                See? “The countries are to blame for the US pulling out of NATO and for getting invaded by Russia after Trump invited them to”. Like clockwork.

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                  9 months ago

                  If you are given an option. Pay and be protected or don’t pay and don’t be protected and you choose the 2nd option then you are you to blame when you have no protection. These countries signed agreements stating that they would all pay this minimum amount.