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“IDF reveals” is rapidly losing credibility.
Yes somehow MEE stories are taken as fact?
I would be interested in seeing the documents and evidence myself, but it won’t be released anymore than the other huge amounts of intel each side gets.
The “this footage released by Hamas”, while having all the credibility of a terrorist organization, also with explicitly expressed wishes for genocide, still manages to get kiddies really, really riled up.
Ahh, this is their “discredit the media” phase of fascism, I see.
They started that back in 2021 when they bombed a Gaza highrise that housed multiple journalist offices.
Any actual proof of this, or is this just yet another bogus, baseless claim?
i mean it’s Jerusalem post, so
Probably something like that denunciations of Israel’s hospital attack that killed 400+, before it was revealed to be a Palestinian missile that fucked up and suddenly the death count dropped to like 20. I don’t know why anyone supports either set of terrorist actions by this point.
in other words . . . no
How many IDF do genocide by day, pro-Israel journalism by night?
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Big pile of whataboutism there.
Its not whataboutism if its about the same thing…
it’s whataboutism, any time someone follows up a story like this with ‘what about the time X did worse?’
it’s literally the definition of whataboutism. if it weren’t whataboutism, then we wouldn’t be talking about the IDF. we’d instead be talking about the dude pretending to be a journalist by day, and a terrorist by night.
the fact that you don’t know this means two things. either you know and are trying to deflect, or you just flat out don’t know that’s what whataboutism is.
Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.
Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.
per the IDF.
Ah, so more unsubstantiated bullshit. If they wanted to be believed, they shouldn’t have lied the first, second, fifth, or twentieth time before.
I don’t listen to Israel, the IDF or any news agency talking negatively about the people being genocided. I don’t care about Hamas
OK, so one side genocide is OK, the other not OK. Got it.
Not okay for anyone but we can see one definitely doing ir
Yep. Oct 7th. Killing kids at a peace concert, praising it’s success at killing innocents and declaring that they want to have as many Oct 7ths as it takes to wipe Israel off the map.
Thanks for proving you have no idea what’s going on or what a genocide is
that’s not a genocide
Tomato tomato. Everyone self-righteously throwing around genocide, I figure language changes and it must not mean what it used to.
You’re being pedantic then being a pedant about being pedantic.
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You mean like they ‘revealed’ (read: lied about) UNRWA having ties to Hamas?
They lost me way back at the fake “Palestinian” nurse with the Israeli accent who was complaining about trying to fix a kid’s fracture without painkillers at Al Shifa because Hamas.
(Meanwhile the real medical staff at Al Shifa were complaining about having to amputate children’s limbs without anaesthetic because IDF).
had a side job as a commander in Hamas’s anti-tank missile units until 2022
- Not even relevant to recent events.
- Anti-tank missiles are probably self defense, or at worst resistance.
- “evidence retrieved by the IDF revealed”
Ah, so THIS is why they’ve been preemptively slaughtering every journalist they can. It’s just self defense!
Lol yeah he probably have a hammas base inside his shoe or something
@FreudianCafe I’m imagining it looks like Maxwell Smart shoe phone.
Not sure why anything JPost says about Gaza or the West Bank is believable in the slightest. We have so many, many examples of them blatantly lying about anything and everything in the past.
But, of course, the retraction is much less noticed as compared to the original fake claim.
Do you have another source for this? I’m not familiar with jpost.
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MBFC says the following about jpost.
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Magazine
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
High Credibility but also Bibi’s mouthpiece…
Analysis Until 1989, the Jerusalem Post’s political leaning was left-leaning as it supported the ruling Labor Party. After Conrad Black acquired the paper, its political position changed to right-leaning, when Black began hiring conservative journalists and editors. Eli Azur is the current owner of Jerusalem Post. According to Ynetnews, and a Haaretz article, “Benjamin Netanyahu, the Editor in Chief,” in 2017, Azur gave testimony regarding Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s pressure. Current Editor Yaakov Katz was the former senior policy advisor to Naftali Bennett, the former Prime Minister and head of the far-right political party, “New Right.”
I have severe doubts that Al Jazeera would post this kind of story. And with this kind of evidence from IDF, I do think it means that there’s reason to discredit Al Jazeera as well.
Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.
I didn’t mean AJ, I was looking for something like AP or Reuters.
Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.
True, but that’s just another reason to remain skeptical and vigilant about checking the validity of claims.
Welcome to war. The first casualty is truth as they always say.
Especially when IDF is trying so hard to kill it
You misspelled Hamas…but you know, it doesn’t really make a difference.
Nope. Both are utter bastards and liars
Yep, 100%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict
Over a hundred to date, and that’s only this year. Every year we get stories of Israeli snipers targeting journalists etc.
I have a less credible source, if that, uh, helps you. Scroll down for more claims with accompanying evidence, but as someone who doesn’t know Arabic or what the leaders of Hamas look like, I honestly had no idea what I was looking at.
Thanks, but I can neither speak Arabic nor recognize any of the people on the pictures too.
Israel sided, but no more so than Middle East Eye is anti-isralei… which somehow gets hundreds of upvotes. Credible, factual, but biased.
People ask for evidence, evidence provided, evidence downvoted.
I would consider this a bit of info in a sea of propaganda campaigns and bot vote manipulation - don’t take it as gospel, but an insight.
I would consider this a bit of info in a sea of propaganda campaigns and bot vote manipulation - don’t take it as gospel, but an insight.
Do you think anyone would spend time on bot manipulation on a platform as small as Lemmy?
Absolutely I do
Al-Jazeera journalist by day, freedom fighter by night.
He’s basically Superman.
Hamas Commander, aka a terrorist, is superman? What the fuck is going on in this site. Bunch of fucking wackos.
I mean superman is a vigilante.
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He was in the anti-tank unit and stopped serving in 2022
Or do you think a soldier defending against Israeli tanks is a terrorist too? The same tanks that kill innocent Palestinian children
What I see here is IDF apologists, genocide apologists, war crime apologists, and down right deplorable people and they’re all the same people
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I called him a freedom fighter and the 2022 claim comes directly from article quoting the IDF.
Al Jazeera journalist Mohammed Wishah had a side job as a commander in Hamas’s anti-tank missile units until 2022, evidence retrieved by the IDF revealed, the IDF’s spokesperson for Arabic media, Avichay Adraee, announced on Sunday.
Can you not read?
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it looks like they photoshopped weapons to replace cameras. A part time military commander?
