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    There are 6 genders, Your can be up, down, strange, charmed, a top or a bottom.

    Though if you’re really anti-establishment you can also be the exact opposite to any of those.

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    I don’t think biology has much at all to say about gender though? Basic biology says there are two sexes, more advanced biology introduces chromosomal configurations other than XX and XY, and even more advanced biology considers a complex array of factors beyond chromosomes alone, but isn’t gender a social construct? Sure, historically it’s been correlated to biological sex, but it’s not really addressed directly by biology.

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        Wouldn’t it make more sense to educate the lad? I was confused myself there are two sexes (apparently gender is used for something else?)

        If gender is who you like and how you feel and who you want to have sex with I don’t really care, you do what makes you happy. But if we are talking strictly biologically speaking then we’ve got two sexes.

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          But if we are talking strictly biologically speaking then we’ve got two sexes.

          Not really though, I mean intersex people kinda disprove that by themselves right? Unless we aren’t defining sex by what you have between your legs but instead more of just a genetic makeup, which would mean that the 2 sexes theory is disproven by any of the millions of people who have the “wrong” chromosome pair.

          The 2 biological sexes thing works as a very broad generalization but it really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. I used to say the exact same thing until I got a dump truck of examples thrown at me lol

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            From the perspective of biology, sex is a bit more complicated in humans than with a lot of other animals. In primates sex is epigenetic in nature, meaning that the DNA that contributed to our sex is expressed as we develop. It’s not set in stone, and when we are developing into male or female that expression can vary.

            Sex is not as important of a distinction in human biology, it’s epigenetic nature means that the difference between a female human and a male human is incomparable to the difference of animals who present with sexual dimorphism.

            Epigenetics are also influenced by our environment, what we eat, and what we do, meaning that a lot of the characteristics we associate with sex can change or be developed over time based on the environment.

            We have observed young female gorillas who behave more like male gorillas, and as they develop they are observed to not only be treated more like male gorillas, but start physically developing more like male gorillas.

            In short, its really complicated. Namely because outside of a specific scenario, there is no real biological reason to define sex in such a dichotomy. And even in those scenarios which require more myopic detail, the difference between individuals of the same sex are great enough to need more information than just male or female.

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            I find it far easier to think in terms of the fuller expression: sexual reproduction. Humans reproduce sexually, and not, for example, asexually. This means we require a male and female gamete to create offspring. So sex is which gamete your body was designed to produce. I then round this out with a second element which is to recognize that humans are bipedal, but not everyone can walk. The point being the design laid down in uterine development to produce a specific gamete defines sex not the ability. Lastly this is biology, not sociology, when we talk sex. If we want to talk gender we bring in the latter. I find these core concepts have helped me and I hope they are helpful to others and would welcome other thoughts and ideas.

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          Gender in puritanical definition clumps sex, sexuality, temperament, and cognitive ability into a single binary, and then takes that extreme quotient as justification for enforcing dress codes, vocations, social norms, etc. Along those gender lines. It is no wonder people are confused when first introduced to that concept.

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          You can’t educate people that don’t care to learn. They don’t want to understand, they want to hate trans people.

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      What results from a persons biology has people say a lot about gender, and that’s where the social construct comes in, yeah.

      You have the genotype, karyotype and phenotype, that may or may not be strictly related to each other depending on what happens during development in the womb.

      And now I realize I’ve already started to go on a tangent that wouldn’t even address your comment anymore, so I’ll stop myself

      But it’s fascinating. I’d love to get a karyogram done, to see if my chromosomes actually match what people would expect from the person I lived as up to this point.

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        But it’s fascinating. I’d love to get a karyogram done, to see if my chromosomes actually match what people would expect from the person I lived as up to this point.

        Would you expect something non-standard, or rather - would you be disappointed if it were one way or the other?

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          I don’t really expect anything, no.

          Being a newly realized transwoman, it would be kinda fun to have XX chromosomes and show that to the Simple Biology™ crowd, not gonna lie.

          But then again, science has already established that chromosomes don’t have to mean what many people think they mean, so that wouldn’t matter.

          Though I’d also just like more karyograms to be done in general, to have a better understanding of how present certain karyotypes actually are

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    How about some advanced biology where you take into account each individuals hormone production levels, types of hormones produced, amount of receptors for each hormone and probably a bunch of other stuff that I don’t know about.

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      The idea that you can cleanly separate parts of a whole is a useful lie. Gender is a separate part of a person, except for all the ways it’s not. A person is a separate part of the world, except for how they’re not.

      We’re all fundamental particles doing a bajillion things per second in an indescribably complex dance and we label a subset of the near-infinite patterns in this mess “gender”.

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      Eh… nah. They wouldn’t understand it, but Alex Jones and Joe Rogan talk about extra dimensions all the time, as well as people like the Happy Science Cult and space weirdos like Project Camelot. All while most of them have regressive sexual and gender opinions.

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    Somehow I don’t expect someone who touts “basic biology” to understand advanced physics.

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      I opened a private window out of morbid curiosity, and every account that took offense at your link is an account that I block, so I feel like I’m on the right track.

      I feel like people’s reaction to being told certain language is ableist is a good litmus test for how open-minded they are to accepting new ideas.

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        Lol, after posting, I almost instantly started seeing reply numbers go up, but I wasn’t seeing any of them, ngl, knowing I’d already blocked them all felt fantastic. I made the mistake of doing what you did, knowing what to expect but not being able to stop my self, and it was as depressing as I thought it would be. Not checked again though, which I’m very proud of!

        You’re spot on about it being a litmus test, I especially hate it when someone I thought better of fights back, which sadly happens often, but didn’t this time, so yay.

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      When I initially read your version I didn’t even notice what was different. I think the article makes a lot of good points, and rereading the original and your version, I see the difference.

      The mindset that annoys me is people being mean and closed minded, and malevolent ignorance. so why use a bad proxy for like stupid, for the actual behavior and attitude that I have an issue with.

      I’ve seen similar arguments for not body shaming people for being toxic trolls, and found it quite compelling.

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        I find that a lot of people just like to feel superior to others, and slinging ableist slurs is an easy way for them to do that because it puts the other person down without them having to actually invest any critical thought in to why.

        They also generally already look down at disabled people, so they don’t see anything wrong about using these slurs since the people they think they apply to, are, in their minds, already not worth considering as part of society.

        You’re absolutely right about the similar arguments that extent to other bigotry and toxicity, especially in leftist spaces where you’d hope people would know better. I think this article also does a great job at explaining how the words we use shape the spaces we occupy, and who does and doesn’t feel welcome and included in them., but unfortunately as with so much other information, the people who need to hear it most are those who refuse to listen…

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    According to supersymmetric gender theory, there are 10 genders. Other commonly studied theories include 11 or even 26 genders.

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    People that say that don’t seem to knownthe difference between sex and gender. In humans there are only 2 sexes, male and female, but your gender isn’t based on your sex… Afaik anyways could be that im wrong too

    Edit: nvm there is also intersex so it’s not 2 sexes. However sex still isnt the same as gender

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          Though it’s also not a given that being intersex even shows itself in the phenotype, is it?

          Karyograms aren’t something that’s being done for a lot of people, so who knows how many intersex people actually exist.

          Unless I’m confusing something, I’m not 100% sure.

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          someone quoted judith buttler to me in the past with “sex is a gendering of biology” (not word for word) and i think that makes things a lot clearer.

          this does not necessairily explain how gender and sex as social categories came to be, but it does explain well why both are so inconsistent.

          genders are social categories imposed on every aspect of human life, but it is not done because there is a material aspect to it, rather out of the mindset “when you have a hammer (gender), everything becomes a nail (gendered)”.

          sex is this same thing done to biology. we gender chromosomes, hormomes, reproductive organs, bone structure, hair, biological capabilities,… as if they could be hard categorized, when they are only loosely related.

          categories like gender, that attempt to categorize everything, are sometimes useful for simplyfied, generalizing analysis, but they do not hold up on an individual level. they should not have any final say over anything that will affect people and should definitly not be assumed to be applicable to individuals.

          i think this meme is very correct, in that it points out, that reality is infinitely more complex than the flawed models we construct to think about it. we should not take these models as gospel.

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          there are two healthy sex phenotypes … and b) the result of something going wrong.

          What about intersex people makes them “unhealthy”? What makes what their bodies do “wrong”?

          Everything else is a) extremely rare

          Intersex people are about as common than redheads. Would you agree with the statement that redheads are the exception that proves the rule that there are 3 hair colors, blond, brown, and black?

          [Edit: more common -> about as common]

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    When they say gender they mean sex.

    They mean different things to you. They don’t to them.

    There, argument over.