You essentially argue that the brutal invader has to win his illegal invasion during which they bomb and kill countless civilians, because otherwise other civilians that support the illegal and brutal invasion might suffer some consequences?
You can’t be for real, noone could argue this in good faith.
civilians that support the illegal and brutal invasion might suffer some consequences?
Like who? Doctors that help the dying? So before Russia was there they had to help the local village people. After Russia came they had to tell em take a hike?
I don’t know how you can argue, in good faith that doctors, policemen, teachers, townhall workers, etc. Who just continued workig in they’re communities should be punshed.
Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in “what about…?”) is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation.
What I did not do. I told you the claim of genocide does not apply as the amount of civilian casualties is lower that other similar scaled modern wars.
Who did I accuse in my counter accusation?
As I say.
Collaborateurs will get what they have coming.
Doctors have a duty to help wounded defenders, policemen have a duty to protect citizens from invaders, teachers must not teach invaders propaganda, townhall workers must not support the logistics and infrastructure of the invader.
If you do you are a traitor and should be punished.
If you are an invader, you must die.
Und wenn du mir auf der Straße über den Weg läufst und deine Lügen und Propaganda verbreitest, wirst du sehen wie ernst ich das meine.
Putin withdrawing army from Ukraine will cause chaos instead of peaceful life - a chaos that would never happen if he continues killing people in this war.
OK. just look at real word examples of the US Afganistan withdrawal. How many civilans do you think got killed? How many deliberately? Rewatch the videos, there is enough videos of people fleeing from the approching army, ( wich noted, is supported by the majority of afganistan ) And dying in they’re attemnt. If you want that what happens in Kabul. You apperently don’t want what is good for.the civilans.
Are you kidding? You are saying the war is good for civillians.
“Let me invade your country and hold your territories and people hostage so you’ll understand that if I stop the aggression then those people will most likely die. I will proceed with my aggression and hold more of your territories and people hostage, and you’ll thank me for keeping those people safe” - Putin, probably.
Are you kidding me? Whenever Russia was forced back, torture chambers, deported children, rape and violence done to civilians and mass graves were discovered. And it was Russia that forced the russian passport onto those people. To think that Ukraine would just deport its own citizens into the hell they just were freed from is absolutely ridiculous. To think that the civilians would want to hold on to the russian passport is ridiculous.
Mass civial graves where fake. German TV stations showed clearly military graves and claimed it was civilian. I saw the bodies.
Deported children. What would you do with children in a warzone? Shitty but better then dying due to shellings.
Torture chambers? Yes just as anyone does.
Mass rapes where fake due to the Ukraine’s generals attorney not being able to find any evidence of them. ( also they then fired the Ukrainian minister for humanitarian right due to constantly making those up)
Violence was and constantly is done to civilians on the Ukraine’s side. Just look at draft videos in Ukriane.
To think that Ukraine would just deport its own citizens into the hell
JL: You’ve described Ukraine as a crime scene. The crimes are widespread and extensive. You don’t have infinite resources. So how do you focus the ICC efforts in Ukraine?
KK: You make decisions, which must be informed by many factors: the gravity, the availability of evidence and the need to work at the speed of relevance. This is exactly what we’ve done in relation to Ukraine, in relation to the public warrants, because of the admissions effectively made by individuals in the Russian Federation, particularly President Putin and Children’s Rights Commissioner Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova. We investigated crimes against children and we move forward. And that’s the basic approach anywhere else: we look at the most serious crimes. When there’s more than one serious crime, we also look at the types of evidence available and start moving. And then we can go deeper, if and when necessary and if and when justified by the evidence.
Mass rapes where fake due to the Ukraine’s generals attorney not being able to find any evidence of them.
The allegation that Russia uses rape systematically couldn’t be substantiated. That is something entirely different than claiming that rapes aren’t happening.
OK and what about the civilans living there?
Do you know that they now have Russian citizensship and under Ukrainian Law will be either put in prisons or forced out?
This is not something that can prevent Putin from removing army from a non Russian territory. If he is not an idiot, that is.
Yes it is.
You essentially argue that the brutal invader has to win his illegal invasion during which they bomb and kill countless civilians, because otherwise other civilians that support the illegal and brutal invasion might suffer some consequences?
You can’t be for real, noone could argue this in good faith.
Countless civilian is wrong as I have shown. Compared to other modern wars its pritty tame. In Gaza already the same amout of civilians got killed that im Ukraine over the 3-4 years.
Like who? Doctors that help the dying? So before Russia was there they had to help the local village people. After Russia came they had to tell em take a hike?
I don’t know how you can argue, in good faith that doctors, policemen, teachers, townhall workers, etc. Who just continued workig in they’re communities should be punshed.
Fucking love the whataboutism on display here. They didn’t kill as many civilians as ______ so no harm, no foul.
Fuck off with that garbage take
What I did not do. I told you the claim of genocide does not apply as the amount of civilian casualties is lower that other similar scaled modern wars. Who did I accuse in my counter accusation?
As the prodigy once said.
Invaders must die.
As I say.
Collaborateurs will get what they have coming.
Doctors have a duty to help wounded defenders, policemen have a duty to protect citizens from invaders, teachers must not teach invaders propaganda, townhall workers must not support the logistics and infrastructure of the invader.
If you do you are a traitor and should be punished.
If you are an invader, you must die.
Und wenn du mir auf der Straße über den Weg läufst und deine Lügen und Propaganda verbreitest, wirst du sehen wie ernst ich das meine.
Sure grandma, now let’s get you to your bed.
OK. just look at real word examples of the US Afganistan withdrawal. How many civilans do you think got killed? How many deliberately? Rewatch the videos, there is enough videos of people fleeing from the approching army, ( wich noted, is supported by the majority of afganistan ) And dying in they’re attemnt. If you want that what happens in Kabul. You apperently don’t want what is good for.the civilans.
Are you kidding? You are saying the war is good for civillians.
“Let me invade your country and hold your territories and people hostage so you’ll understand that if I stop the aggression then those people will most likely die. I will proceed with my aggression and hold more of your territories and people hostage, and you’ll thank me for keeping those people safe” - Putin, probably.
Disgusting
“But think of the traitors!”
Nice. Establish some traitor purges next. But nice try Stalin, go kil some people you disagree with somewhere else.
Are you kidding me? Whenever Russia was forced back, torture chambers, deported children, rape and violence done to civilians and mass graves were discovered. And it was Russia that forced the russian passport onto those people. To think that Ukraine would just deport its own citizens into the hell they just were freed from is absolutely ridiculous. To think that the civilians would want to hold on to the russian passport is ridiculous.
Mass civial graves where fake. German TV stations showed clearly military graves and claimed it was civilian. I saw the bodies.
Deported children. What would you do with children in a warzone? Shitty but better then dying due to shellings.
Torture chambers? Yes just as anyone does.
Mass rapes where fake due to the Ukraine’s generals attorney not being able to find any evidence of them. ( also they then fired the Ukrainian minister for humanitarian right due to constantly making those up)
Violence was and constantly is done to civilians on the Ukraine’s side. Just look at draft videos in Ukriane.
I don’t think it I souced it.
The UN, as useless as it is, has released a report on the warcrimes committed by Russia.
Wer der BILD glaubt, hat von Anfang an verloren.
The ICC has taken on a lawsuit against Russia for child trafficking. Fun fact, the admission from the Russian side makes this easiest case to proceed, as per the lead ICC prosecutor:
Here is the sourced Wikiledia article for Russian torture chambers. There is no article describing Ukrainian torture chambers. I wonder why that is? /s
The allegation that Russia uses rape systematically couldn’t be substantiated. That is something entirely different than claiming that rapes aren’t happening.
Here is just one article of many, interviewing victims.
Do we want to compare draft videos now? Ok, here is my entry:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1855307/russian-conscripts-stripped-ukraine-war-latest
You ask them if they want to keep their russian citizenship or throw it on the pile of burning illegal passports.
Then they don’t have any left. Because Ukraine aint giving them the Ukrainian.
You can’t be serious.