The issue lies with what downvotes really mean. We’ve all seen instances on Reddit where where downvoted to hell because it was an idea contrary to the majority of the sub/echo chamber even though they were totally valid.
I would very much like a world where upvotes and downvotes are not symmetric. As is we say total is upvotes minus downvotes, but in reality upvotes exist to say “good job” and downvotes should exist to say “this is spam or unnecessary”
A better system, IMO, would be to make downvoting closer to reporting, a little harder to do, but if the ratio of down to up passes a certain threshold, the comment is then flagged for review and/or just massively downgraded.
Oh, and you cannot do that to something you reply to. Either say “this is trash not worth engaging with” and move on, thus ensuring trolls do not get fed, or reply but acknowledge it was worth engagement.
I like where you are going with that thought. I would like to see tags users can vote on like “spam, bot, hate, troll” or something. So the users can moderate themselves a bit. These tags can then be reviewed by a moderator who can make the ultimately decide what happens.
Of course this is still prone to bridging and bullying but just trying to think outside the box
It was absolutely impossible to have a constructive conversation between two opposing beliefs on reddit partly because of that system, it was really infuriating. On the other hand, beehaw seems to outright block the instances where users don’t subscribe to their echo chamber, and I don’t think that’s good either.
I don’t really care about the lack of downvotes
but the reason I didn’t join beehaw was because users are not allowed to create new communities there, you have to ask the admins for permission
not that I wanted to spam a bunch of stupid communities but I prefer a more organic approach to growth than constant applications to get anything done
reminds me of intentionally obtuse government functions where everything has to go through committee before approval
I do respect their intentions though wanting a more curated experience, just not for me at this time
Also because because beehaw has sownvotes disabled. Imo downvotes are an integral part of the Lemmy experience. As it is for reddit.
The issue lies with what downvotes really mean. We’ve all seen instances on Reddit where where downvoted to hell because it was an idea contrary to the majority of the sub/echo chamber even though they were totally valid.
I would very much like a world where upvotes and downvotes are not symmetric. As is we say total is upvotes minus downvotes, but in reality upvotes exist to say “good job” and downvotes should exist to say “this is spam or unnecessary”
A better system, IMO, would be to make downvoting closer to reporting, a little harder to do, but if the ratio of down to up passes a certain threshold, the comment is then flagged for review and/or just massively downgraded.
Oh, and you cannot do that to something you reply to. Either say “this is trash not worth engaging with” and move on, thus ensuring trolls do not get fed, or reply but acknowledge it was worth engagement.
I like where you are going with that thought. I would like to see tags users can vote on like “spam, bot, hate, troll” or something. So the users can moderate themselves a bit. These tags can then be reviewed by a moderator who can make the ultimately decide what happens. Of course this is still prone to bridging and bullying but just trying to think outside the box
I think that’s the kind of idea being debated at https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ right now
It was absolutely impossible to have a constructive conversation between two opposing beliefs on reddit partly because of that system, it was really infuriating. On the other hand, beehaw seems to outright block the instances where users don’t subscribe to their echo chamber, and I don’t think that’s good either.
Honestly it was kinda foolish for Reddit to ever think it was going to be otherwise. People are inherently tribal by nature.
That’s always distressing to see, but if it keeps happening it’s also evidence that community isn’t worth the time to visit.
basically every thread i was apart of.
I don’t really care about the lack of downvotes but the reason I didn’t join beehaw was because users are not allowed to create new communities there, you have to ask the admins for permission
not that I wanted to spam a bunch of stupid communities but I prefer a more organic approach to growth than constant applications to get anything done
reminds me of intentionally obtuse government functions where everything has to go through committee before approval
I do respect their intentions though wanting a more curated experience, just not for me at this time
I just think its fantastic that instances can try different things and users can (actually, really, for real this time) easily vote with their feet.