• Discoslugs@lemmy.world
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      That’s the unfortunate thing.

      Start criticizing the Soviet union and you’ll end up with a bunch of people left bashing in general.

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        “tankies” criticize the Soviet union, you know? They also criticize the ebil See See Pee but apparently there’s no room for nuance

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          What’s your definition of “tankie”? If you’re willing to call out Putin’s homophobic journalist murdering authoritarian bullshit and the Chinese government’s massacring of protesters and genociding of ethnic minorities you’re not a tankie imo, you’re just a communist.

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            call out Putin’s homophobic journalist murdering authoritarian bullshit

            The US isn’t nearly as far away from any of that as liberals like to believe.

            Why is the litmus test for Tankie-ism picking sides in a civil war on the other side of the globe, while governors and senators from my home state seem giddy about imposing Putin’s policies in my backyard?

            You’re pro-Putin if you don’t scream Slava Ukraine loud enough. You’re pro-CCP if you don’t cheer for American destroyers every time they sail the straight of Taiwan. You’re pro-Taliban if you’re relieved to see a 21 year long brutal occupation come to an end.

            the Chinese government’s massacring of protesters and genociding of ethnic minorities

            Westerners slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for decades on end, and it was fine because we labeled them all terrorists.

            We wrote country music songs celebrating the fact. We played those songs at the fucking Super Bowl while millions cheered.

            But when a leftist says “Stop doing these wars! The wars are bad!” the blood drenched finger of the liberal finally finds a place to point and condemn genocide denial.

            Incredible.

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              Westerners slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for decades on end, and it was fine because we labeled them all terrorists.

              No, it wasn’t fine, that’s kinda the point… It isn’t fine when the west does it, it’s not fine when others do it too…

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                It’s pretty typical tankie behavior that we’re seeing.

                When you say it’s bad that Stalin implemented genocidal policies such as against the Krim Tartars, Kalmykks and other ethnic groups, they come back with wHaT aBoUt aMeRiCa.

                They know that both things can be bad, but they have similar incentives to right-fascists. That is to say they’re liars.

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                  Yeah I don’t care if they want to call it genocide or not, I honestly don’t… And I don’t care for calling them fascists either, it’s just childish drama stuff to me… Just don’t twist other people’s words and pretend that a certain country or person is perfect…

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                    Hey, that’s kinda fucked, since genocide is one of the worst things that can happen and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms.

                    Nothing Childish about condemning genocidal states like China.

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                When you clap like a seal because the latest round of corporate flacks insist AES states are full of baby eating monsters, you end up endorsing the Kosovo War, the Iraq War, the Vietnam War, and the Korean War all over again.

                “China killed all the Uighurs” is just this generation’s “Saddam murdered babies in their incubators” and “Those Nicaraguan nuns had it coming” of the 21st century.

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            But there is a clear difference between actual anarchists, who read theory and put it into practice and actually do something to further the cause, and chronically online ‘anarchists’ who only whine about tankies.

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              Sure. There are plenty of people who are anarchists, who are people I would not work with. Like armchair anarchists.

              And the word “tankie” does get used by armchair anarchists A lot often inappropriatly.

              But still tankie is a valid crique of Red fascism.

              And if you are a person who believes In communism, and can see it’s benefits but are unable to see it’s faults your probably a tankie.

              Please remember on multiple instances The Soviets turned their back on anarchists. Like in the Spanish civil war.

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                And the word “tankie” does get used by armchair anarchists A lot often inappropriatly.

                Have we been reading the same thread? The anticommunists here don’t care about your nuance or your support for AES states other than the USSR, they will call you a tankie if you speak in defense of any of those other projects.

                Incidentally I don’t think the Spanish Civil War proves that the USSR was “fascist”, even if the USSR’s actions are worthy of criticism.

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                  USSR refused to openly support Spanish anarchist during the Spanish civil war.

                  While they did help fund the Spanish republicans and sell the some arms during the war. They would not come out openly to support the left wing government.

                  They basically allowed the fascist nationalist Franco, supported by fascist German mercenaries, to overthrow a legally elected left wing government. Simply because the soviets knew they would benefit from not intervening in the conflict in the long run.

                  This is the main critique of communism from an anarchist prospective:

                  State communism will generally side with fascists because they have similar structure. they are both hierarchical. And will trend in the same direction. The same can be said for capitalism.

                  Power will always trend into the hands of the people who operate the organization and in heirarchical systems, power will always trend up to fewer and fewer people.

                  The anticommunists here don’t care about your nuance or your support for AES states other than the USSR, they will call you a tankie if you speak in defense of any of those other projects.

                  Well I am not one of those people. And I’m not willing or able to defend their bs.

                  I call people tankies when they support communism without being able to critize it’s faults.

                  Do you deny that there is a long history of Communists not supporting anarchists in their time of need?

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          To tankies fascist means opposing whatever flavor of authoritarian “communism” they prefer regardless of the reasons or context. This conveniently allows any number of pogroms, mass slaughters or engineered famines to be reframed as anti-fascist action, rather than a brutal expression of state power at the expense of the working class.

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          Then what would you have me call people who make excuses for invasion, oppression, and genocide just because it was committed by the Russian or Chinese government instead of a western one?