locking this since the AMA is now live. go over here to discuss it so your comments aren’t lost!
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Why delete when he can just edit the comments? Lol.
Unless they’re going to come out and say “Belated April Fools! Ha ha!”, I don’t see how this is not going to be a dumpster fire
Oh, it’s far, far too late for that. Apps and subreddits are already shutting down in advance. It won’t kill Reddit most likely, but the quality is going to go way down in about a month.
They’re going to IPO. This is the whole reason for Reddit’s existence up to this point. Nothing the users do will possibly stop this; the users are what is up for sale. Of course they are going to be unhappy, they’re about to get exploited. That’s been built in already.
Conde nasty bought Reddit for 12m back in 2006 iirc, this has been the plan since then I bet.
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He has serious guts to be doing an AMA.
Unless he’s using this opportunity to repeal the API changes or officially resign as CEO and put somebody more competent in charge, I don’t see this going well.
Spez should honestly learn to read the room.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is only comments from suspiciously young accounts that get addressed, posts like “How are you so brave to get up lead us to the promised land every day sir?” and “I don’t have a question, I just want to thank you for saving me from the scourges of NSFW posts”, while all the real questions are silently absent.
I was going to say the same. I’m actually curious how it’s going to turn out haha
I partially agree with you that he’s got guts, but I think more so that you hit the nail here:
Spez should honestly learn to read the room.
I think there may be something genuinely not right with his sense of social awareness. I’m not a
doctorpsychiatrist, etc., but when I read the post today from iamthatis about Apollo shutting down, the quoted text that came from spez really felt defensive to me.I think there may be something genuinely not right with his sense of social awareness
I agree with you and if Roman Roy thinks that, there is something seriously wrong.
There are going to be a ton of deleted comments in that thread for sure
There is no way they see this going well. No way. 🤦
They don’t need it to. They just need to have enough clueless investors for the IPO and snazzy graphics to mislead them enough so they aren’t looking at what is actually happening that Reddit is actually imploding.
Being a realist, I wouldn’t say Reddit will implode from this. A lot of people just come for the memes and don’t really give a shit about BaconReader, Apollo, Reddit Is Fun, etc.
What it will do is drive far more people towards Reddit competitors. Lemmy instances in general have seen far more signups lately, and Tildes has exponentially increased in active users.
The part I’m worried about is what happens if Spez does the unthinkable and backs down.
Some of you may remember a Reddit clone called Voat that grew during Ellen Pao’s brief tenure as Reddit’s CEO. It was once poised to be the Reddit successor but was quickly abandoned due to server issues and Ellen later resigning. Voat nearly died, was resurrected by becoming a bastion for white supremacists when they were driven off of Reddit months later and survived for a few more years…
As for how Voat was near the end of its life, imagine nearly every comment being filled with offensive slurs…
I think it’s a little more complicated than this: Reddit needs power users to make its ecosystem work. Mods of course, but also content creators and content, hem, reposters, who keep large communities active and interesting. If a significant enough fraction of these people give up on Reddit, the users who want funny memes will go get them from 9gag or wherever is most convenient for them.
Even before the API debacle, Reddit has had some serious issue, and every one of those issues is u/spez. He can’t just fight his way through this. The incentive to leave has always been there, and now he’s pushing us over the edge, and he’s gonna try to win us back with some empty words.
This is the same guy who stealth edited a comment of a user he was angry with and then justified his decision by saying he grew up being a troll on the internet. Leave the troll’s playground and watch it crumble. Reddit isn’t spez. It’s all of us.
How does this work on Lemmy? Can mods edit users posts?
I don’t think lemmy provides tools for that (good), so normal moderators, can’t do this. With direct access to the server, maybe. So make sure your server admin isn’t spez.
Nope.
Here are they actions that can be performed by admins and/or moderators
Thanks :)
The person running an instance has access to the database of that instance and can do whatever they want with the data in that database.
Only 1 server is sending the changes to the other servers? So if the instance is the source, the same thing would happen? Or will most servers have the data already by then, and not receive updates?
If you view the data from Beehaw’s interface, you see the data of Beehaw’s database. If you view the data from Lemmy.world’s interface you see the data of Lemmy.world’s database. There’s no guarantee of consistency between the databases of different instances.
How did he get busted?
My memory is a bit foggy, but I believe it was something like: on a Donald Trump subreddit, a top comment with tons of upvotes was anti-spez. Tons of upvotes meant that tons of people saw it. That comment then changed to saying spez was awesome. No “user edited comment” or “admin edited comment” tag or anything, like what you normally see in edited comments. People banged on spez’s door about it and he admitted that he had both the power and inclination to stealth edit other peoples’ comments.
Since it was a Trump topic, way too many users let what happened slide, but it’s become just one more thing people can point to about Reddit’s issues.
Lol, what a tool.
He will only answer planted questions. Mark my words.
He will edit the questions he doesn’t like
Abso-Freking-Lutely is not going to answer random questions like an AMA. He will anser some planted questions and then will dissapear, and tell some news organization or make some tweet about how he had to leave early because of all the negativity and the bridaging and the people swearing at him, and how we would have loved to stay otherwise and answer real questions.
I think we’re all getting a little distracted here, let’s refocus on Rampart…I mean, API pricing…
This is going to be a SHIT SHOW.
spez is a clown
It’s pretty much guaranteed that AMA is going to go over very, very poorly. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out people aren’t happy about this! I’d think of this as a “why bother” situation usually but I get the feeling spez is looking for attention/validation.
I think it’s going to be a honeypot intended to draw out the critics. Their accounts will be banned and their comments hidden within minutes of saying anything even remotely critical.
Can’t wait to speak my mind and let them ban my 16 year old account.
Interesting. I should try that out. If I’m ever going to get banned, this is the way.
Goodbye my sweet sweet Karma.
What will immediately become ‘The Roast of Spez’ might be the last funny thing ever posted to Reddit at this rate to be fair.
Going down in flames. I like it.
I really don’t see how can this go well. On the other hand, Reddit was never shy of manipulations, so I’m expecting some shady practices…
They will probably do a biased and heavy moderation in the thread.
but I get the feeling spez is looking for attention/validation.
Is he though? His last comment on Reddit as of this time was 10 months ago. I don’t think he really cares, if anything he’s being pressured to do it (and possibly doing begrudgingly) because he’s the more known “face” of reddit.
E: I’m not defending spez, btw. What I mean is just that I think it’s likely he’s an unwilling participant in all this. Reddit is just a source of income for him, he doesn’t care what happens to it. He probably would rather be cruising on his yacht or whatever, than doing this AMA.
Man, this whole API thing really makes me think of how much of a shithole the web is, still after all those years.
I basically have to buy a keyboardless laptop with an awkward resolution if I have to buy a smartphone, all because the software for it is less than optimized crap that mostly just spies on you for the sake of ad revenue, and then leaves garbage all over the system it barely ever cleans up. A wonderful package for a multi-core, multi-threaded CPU paired with at least 3 GB RAM (if that’s even enough today) that you almost certainly can’t use with any comfort to browse the web because almost no one who pays big money to their devs cares that these devs build a proper mobile version of the website - which is part of nearly every webdev interview anyway, and for what, just to make me download the app anyway? What a fucking joke, honestly.
Web on desktop is just as much of a disgrace for all the bloat.
Funny you mention the resolution because in the 90s we had 640x480 which was way smaller than what cell phones have now and we still managed to have very functional web. Yeah the fonts weren’t as pretty and pictured had jagged edges but it worked and it was great!
Exactly! Screens are so big now, they should pack so much real estate, but they just don’t most of the time, and it’s not even because of human eyesight limitations.
I don’t understand how or why modern interfaces have less information density than in 1997 on 640x480.
Or why they are less customizable.
Someone said the use just the middle of the screen display is based on some studies of what people can actually read or take in, but I don’t think I agree (hacker news isn’t as limited and it works for me). But why not have 60 percent of our physical screens display off white blank space. /s
We waited for our images to load one line at a time and we were grateful, dammit!
keyboardless laptop with an awkward resolution
Are you talking about the pinephone, or are you literally buying keyboardless laptops?
@doctorzeromd @sailsperson I assume any smartphone - they often have comparable specifications to laptops but few keying options that don’t suck.
I was actually trying to call out basically every smartphone out there because they have to be packing multicore CPUs with at least 3 GB of RAM in order to be functional.
My current phone has 2 GB, and almost all of it is dedicated to the Android system itself, even without any shells (i.e. not MiUI or anything like that, which is basically Android OS plus something on top, eating up even more resources), and can be really painful to use at times. I seem to have won some performance back by switching to Via browser instead of the native Google Chrome, YMusic instead of the native YouTube app, and RedReader for Reddit (might kiss goodbye to that some time soon, as we all know) - the rest of the applications I use either lack a proper mobile version of the website (viewing some with the desktop option on is horrible), a lightweight alternative, or both. I also don’t have the memory to download every single app for the websites I use as they keep suggesting - more importantly, I don’t want to.
When I’m on PC, I use the web applications available for nearly every single thing I use - but oh no, I can’t do that on mobile, I need an app, which I’d have to update frequently, wasting even more space with the piss-poor solutions they go for in the name of profits.
Damn I’m getting worked up talking software and especially the mobile world.
And half of the apps are just a basic frontend connecting to the same web app anyway. I feel you. Linux for mobile is probably still decades away from being truly usable but I can dream
I’m sure it’ll go well, everyone will have a great time, and /u/spez will do everything he can to make Reddit even better!
Hahahahaha no just kidding. He’s going to get absolutely flamed and duck the hard questions, which I have no doubt will be most of them. At this point I’m not sure if it’s a worse look for him to offer his weak justifications to an enraged community or not respond at all.
To me, the recorded calls from Christian are damning evidence that this isn’t a matter of fair compensation from users on 3rd party apps. They literally just set out to kill them and are doing it in the most disingenuous way possible.
Can someone please set up c/fuckspez, and scrape every comment from reddit today that contains the words “fuck /u/spez”?
Comedy gold in the making
Let’s not forget the time Spez untracably edited a user’s comment, only admitted it after being caught, and then joked about it. If he breathes, he lies.
What’s the betting he’ll back down in some way (which was the plan all along)? That way they’ll get what they originally wanted but will look as if they’ve “listened”.
I’m not sure I believe that will happen though, tbh.
I would put money on that not happening at all. The suite of changes this time are exceptionally broad and seem 100% targeted at public investment. They can’t back-down on deciding to go public, and they can’t really go public with some of these things in place.
Yeah I don’t expect anything to happen either. The big “blackout” having a predetermined duration of 48 hours is a joke. Reddit can just sit it out and be done with it. After reading the farewell post of the Apollo dev it also seems like Reddit is doubling down on their pricing model with no leeway.
I do find it odd that they chose the protest to be only 48 hours. What are they hoping to accomplish then? All spez has to do is wait for the 48 hours to end and resume his normal operations.
My bet is that they’ll announce that they’re still charging for the API, but at a “drastically” reduced price. As you say, I think it was their plan all along. That way they can still milk third party apps, all the while still being able to say “we listened to the community” by not destroying them outright
I just don’t get why they were doing per api call to the app at all, instead of a subscription to reddit for the users. I might have paid a bit to keep using redreader and avoid ads.
I don’t think they will, but even if they did I kind of suspect the apps will still shutdown, they all announced their shutdown at once, I am sure they discussed amongst each other and reached a line in the sand with reddit. If I got that sort of treatment, even if they backed down I’d never trust them again, I’d never want to work with them again and I don’t see how that sort of situation is tenable. So they could completely abandon the changes and still have achieved the result they want. However, at this point they’ve already vilified themselves to those who will ever care, so there’s no reason to back down at all.
I think that’s probably what’s going to happen on June 14 so they can look like the “good guys”, but I’m not fully sure to be honest.
I think his idea of backing down will be lowering the pricing, if he does it.
Reddit CEO, u/spez, will be here tomorrow to host an AMA about the latest API updates, including accessibility, mod bots, and third-party mod tools.
Note how they somehow left out 3rd party apps. Just mod stuff and accessibility.
Probably a typo.
(But really how many corporate meetings and emails were passed around to agree on that copy you think, it’s gonna be lawyers all-hands-on-deck tomorrow, probably one of the most expensive AMAs ever with all of those billable hours)
I agree with your parenthetical strongly enough to rule out a typo.
This announcement lists things that Reddit will humor, for now, and as a way of cheaply outsourcing niche and difficult problems. It clarifies that everyday third party apps were never intended to have a future with the platform. They’re simply an obstacle for Reddit’s most convincing path to revenue.
I might even have forgiven Reddit if it had said so up front, but the story they’ve been trying to spin – with prices that just happen to be orders of magnitude in excess of anything devs might afford – is outrageously insulting. I’ve never had my trust in a brand demolished so thoroughly so quickly.
Too bad they fired their dedicated AMA coordinator.
I assume that’s because their goal is to outline why third-party apps won’t be needed. The whole point of this drama is that Reddit wants to get rid of the third-party apps, so they are going to do everything to try to convince people why not having them will be fine.
Yeah them bringing up disabilities, I have a feeling we’re going to see some half-ass disability fixes come in in the next week. Let’s see them get through a full ADA audit (as a software dev who has done that it suuuuuuuucks. It’s needed, but we’re talking months of work
Maybe there will be a bit of empathy after all. Anyone who’s tried to use the official reddit app got a taste of what it’s like to have a disability /s
Okay for real, the amount of people who just do not give one single shit about disabled folks has been disgusting. Fine, you (other redditors) want to make fun of us ‘nerds’ who have been using reddit for 12 years? Fine. Not seeing the big deal about ADA compliance is a different thing altogether.
It’s like Microsoft removing text to speech on Windows, or Playstation banning specialized controllers.
I had a disabled roommate for three years. We were best friends, and I eventually got comfortable enough to joke about it with him. No offense was intended. I was only joking about how terrible the reddit app is.
Oh you misunderstand, I mean in my conversations on Reddit! Just pure vitriol from people over there saying anyone who uses 3rd party apps are stupid/neckbeards/whatever. Lol you’re good, it’s those people I’m annoyed at
Oh, okay! Glad I didn’t come off as insensitive. Yeah, behavior like that is incredibly frustrating to see!
Oh man, I’m making popcorn for this, it’s going to be a complete trainwreck.
Someone had to beat Electronic Arts’ Battlefield II comment eventually
For those who do not know, it’s the most downvoted comment on reddit.
Hey, potential investors, look at this upward trend in user engagement in the last month!
I mentioned this in an adjacent thread, but as much as I hate downvoting in principle, I will gladly downvote that AMA out of principle.
And have popcorn ready 🍿
Even the AMA announcement is at “0” (so probably in the thousands negative, didnt check). I’ll also check in with some popcorn. =)
I’m gonna get popcorn and nachos!
Oh that’s gonna go well for him /s
I dont get why hes doing it at all. There is no universe in which this doesnt end completely poorly, with nuked comment chains and tons of down votes. I expect a ton of users to get banned, and it would be very surprising if spez answers anything other than pre planned questions
I haven’t seen Reddit this upset, collectively, since Ellen Pao. Doing an AMA is just going to throw gas on the fire. I dont see the play hes trying to make
The sad thing is… Ellen Pao did nothing wrong. All she really did was ban /r/FatPeopleHate. Victoria’s firing was Kn0thing’s doing but everybody threw Ellen under the bus for it. Oh, and she was trying to fight for keeping Reddit as a free-speech platform too.
It’s amazing how sheepish the Reddit community truly is when everybody came back to Reddit the moment Pao was forced out.
She really didn’t deserve the nickname ‘Chairman Pao’, especially when Spez was the one who pushed far stricter censorship measures, made ban-evasion a site wide offence and gave moderators so much power to abuse.
On the plus side, it’s good to see a Reddit alternative that isn’t either dead, a closed-garden like Tildes, or a white supremacist hellhole.
I agree completely. We were just coming off of gamergate, and people were just looking for women to yell at
That plus a healthy dose of racism.
I never understood the Pao hate either. She wasn’t in the CEO position long enough to do any substantial damage. And definitely not nearly as much as what /u/spez is doing now which is going to permanently and irrecoverably ruin Reddit.
I hope he gets absolutely obliterated in the comments.
