• steventhedev@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Here’s the short list of Hamas’ war crimes that are part of their regular military doctrine:

    • Indirect fire that intentionally targets civilians
    • Indirect fire that intentionally targets protected infrastructure - medical, educational, and scientific
    • Conducting indirect fire from within protected infrastructure - medical, educational, and scientific
    • Taking civilian hostages
    • Intentionally targeting civilian population due to their nationality and/or religion
    • The systemic use of child soldiers
    • Coordination and housing of military efforts from within protected infrastructure - medical, educational, and scientific
    • Manufacturing weapons within protected infrastructure - medical , educational, and scientific
    • The use of medical transport to convey military forces during a military operation for operational purposes and not medical ones
    • Incitement to genocide
    • Incentivizing war crimes by paying larger pensions to their members (and their families) who commit atrocities

    These are the things they have done so much that it is clearly part of their military doctrine and policies, and not even remotely defensible as “one off” behavior of irregular forces.

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      10 months ago

      Crap that’s a long and sad list.

      Also you left off rape and sexual violence.

      • steventhedev@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        I probably missed a few, and that’s all since October 6th.

        I also intentionally only included the ones they can’t possibly say “this is a individual soldier or group of soldiers acting on their own initiative”.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          Forgot human shields and interfering with evacuations, kidnapping their own families and friends and neighbors and forcing them to stay behind to be killed in order to score sympathy points.

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    Oh look it’s one of those rare instances where the truth really is somewhere in the middle (and not massively skewed to one side) of the two opposing sides. And that’s because both sides are so unimaginably horrible, yay…

    The only downright true thing in there is the statement about hypocrisy regarding condemning civilian deaths during Oct 7 but accepting the massive civilian deaths during Israels occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. It really is crazy how some think Oct 7 was inexcusable for the civilian deaths but somehow the thousands upon thousands of dead kids is just “the awful realities of war” and hand-waved away as unavoidable.

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      10 months ago

      really is somewhere in the middle

      Yeah maybe, but it’s not like both sides are genocidal only a little, it’s more like both of them are awful scum of the earth.

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      On October 7th, Hamas and PIJ militants attacked 20+ civilian communities and killed over 10% of the civilian population of the entire region with the explicit purpose of ethnically cleansing the area, along with thousands of rockets targeting civilian population centers across Israel.

      The civilian casualties in Gaza are a very sad fact of combat in a densely populated urban area, and are not being intentionally targeted by Israel alongside explicit declarations and very public military orders that “civilians are not to be targeted”. So far, around 1% of the civilian population of Gaza has been killed.

      So yeah, very different. They are the awful realities of war. Some of them are likely avoidable, but a large number of them are not, especially given Hamas’ tactics and doctrine of embedding within civilian populations.

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        Hamas and PIJ militants attacked 20+ civilian communities and killed over 10% of the civilian population of the entire region with the explicit purpose of ethnically cleansing the area

        VS

        The civilian casualties in Gaza are a very sad fact of combat in a densely populated urban area

        1200 deaths are a genocide, 37,000 deaths of which 25,000 in just the last 3 months is simply an unavoidable tragedy. Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess.

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        Is the civilian population of the region 6700 people? In 20+ civilian communities? I’ll definitely need a source for that.

        and are not being intentionally targeted by Israel alongside explicit declarations and very public military orders that “civilians are not to be targeted”.

        No need to explicitly target civilians (they have on multiple occasions, but let’s assume they didn’t) when they’re just bombing the whole place. 50% of bombs used in Gaza are “dumb” non-precision bombs and it shows.

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          I’ll definitely need a source for that

          Literally google maps and wikipedia. Most of them are 100-200 people only. I exclude the areas past the 232 road because fewer than 5% of all Hamas allied deployments reached there.

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    10 months ago

    It’s interesting how war parties tend to go from “We’re just defending ourselves” to “Sieg fucking heil!” and back again like each passing day is in a different dimension from the others.

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    10 months ago

    Why did you editorialize the headline from “atrocities” to “resistance”?

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    On its front and back covers, the document features pictures of Gazans on an Israeli tank, as well as images of paragliders reminiscent of the early phases of the assault.

    The document, titled “Our Narrative: Operation Al-Aqsa Flood,” is addressed to “Arab and Islamic nations” and “free peoples worldwide.” It is divided into five parts: a narrative of the Arab-Israeli conflict; an account of October 7; a call for an “international investigation” of what happened; a presentation of the terror group itself; and a set of demands and calls to action.

    The document boasts of the Hamas terrorists’ “religious and moral commitment,” claiming that the “Al-Qassam Brigades fighters…avoid[ed] harm to civilians, especially children, women, and elderly people.” It adds that “if there was any case of targeting civilians; [sic] it happened accidentally and in the course of this confrontation,” and “maybe some faults happened during… implementation due to the rapid collapse of the Israeli security and military system.”

    Finally, the document alleges hypocrisy on the part of those who would accept civilian casualties as collateral damage in Gaza while condemning Hamas’s actions during its massacres on October 7.

    The document calls for an “independent investigation,” insisting that such a probe would prove “the truth of our narrative and… the scale of lies and misleading information in [sic] the Israeli side.” This leads into the document’s  third chapter, calling for an investigation by the International Criminal Court to look at “the broader context” of the October 7 attack as part of the “struggle against colonialism.”

    The document says that Hamas receives their legitimacy from the “Palestinian right to self-defense, liberation and self-determination,” claiming that according to “all norms, divine religions and international laws,” as well as the Geneva convention, parties are granted the right to resist by any means necessary, including armed resistance— especially, the group says, when facing “the longest and brutalist [sic] colonial occupation,” as well as “massacres” and “oppression.”


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    Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses - Human Rights Watch - June 2017

    At least five categories of major violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law characterize the occupation: unlawful killings; forced displacement; abusive detention; the closure of the Gaza Strip and other unjustified restrictions on movement; and the development of settlements, along with the accompanying discriminatory policies that disadvantage Palestinians.

    Many of Israel’s abusive practices were carried out in the name of security. Palestinian armed groups have carried out scores of lethal attacks on civilians and launched thousands of rocket attacks on Israeli civilian areas, also in violation of international humanitarian law.
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    Unlawful Killings & War Crimes
    Israeli troops killed well over 2,000 Palestinian civilians in the last three Gaza conflicts (2008-09, 2012, 2014) alone. Many of these attacks amount to violations of international humanitarian law due to a failure to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians.
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    Illegal Settlements
    Israeli authorities have since 1967 facilitated the transfer of its civilians to the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    (…)
    Forced Displacement
    Israeli authorities have expropriated thousands of acres of Palestinian land for settlements and their supporting infrastructure.
    (…)
    Gaza Closure, Unjustified Movement Restrictions in West Bank
    For the last 25 years, Israel has tightened restrictions on the movement of people and goods to and from the Gaza Strip in ways that far exceed any conceivable requirement of Israeli security.
    (…)
    Abusive Detention
    Israeli authorities have incarcerated hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967, the majority after trials in military courts, which have a near-100 percent conviction rate.

  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    Bro we can watch the videos of Hamas soldiers just firing indiscriminately on families out to dinner. What a bunch of bullshit. Hamas really has no shame. They are the cause of the high civilian deaths.

    This sympathy that people have is their weapon. This is why they force their extended families to remain behind despite evacuation orders and warnings. This is why everytime they take out some Hamas commander, there is 100 civilians with him.