“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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    What’s even more upsetting are the people who can write comments like yours, without irony. Why is it anybody who points out the causes of the conflict, gets decried as a Russian asset? Nobody here has explicitly said what Russia did wasn’t illegal or immoral, because it is. But what people like you don’t understand, is that events like this don’t happen in isolation. These moves are highly interactive and very dangerous. You can’t ignorantly just point to one in a vacuum and say, “‘that’s’ imperialism!”

    Were people like you making similar protestations when the west backed the Maidan coup, which overthrew the democratically elected President (Yanukovych) in Ukraine? Were you criticizing the US for encouraging Ukraine to ignore and break its peace treaty that was agreed to with Russia, under the Minsk Accords? Were you criticizing the west for it’s media blackout of the continued shelling and massacring of Russian speaking citizens in eastern Ukraine (i.e. Donbass and Luhansk), while they were crying for Russia’s help? Of course you weren’t. You have no idea what I’m even talking about. Because you for, this conflict began with Russia moving into Ukraine. You only know what the MSM propaganda in the west tells you you’re supposed to believe. I fully understand Putin when he called the US “The Empire of Lies.” And people like you ignorantly fall for the bait. Every single time. Without fail. You’re a successful product of the American ideological and propaganda system. You haven’t seen past the dense fog of propaganda that’s deployed to keep you ignorant. It’s why the hidden is deliberately and intentionally hidden from you and they don’t want you finding out about it.

    Why does hating western hypocrisy on the home front make me a Putin shill? Why is politics a ‘team sport’ that I’m betraying, because I call out the warmongering of my own team?

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      You bring up a lot of things I never typed that aren’t relevant to what I actually typed. It shows how deluded you are. For all the “western propaganda” where is all the evidence you speak of that that Russia invading Ukraine is somehow justified? Truth is not propaganda. Instead of attacking your imaginary fairy-tale “western” beast, try facing the reality that you are actually wrong. Take a mental journey and imagine yourself in the same position of the victims of war, then how wrong it is to somehow try to justify any of it.

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        … where is all the evidence you speak of that that Russia invading Ukraine is somehow justified?…

        Did you even read what I wrote?:

        Nobody here has explicitly said what Russia did wasn’t illegal or immoral, because it is.

        Apparently not.

        Take a mental journey and imagine yourself in the same position of the victims of war, then how wrong it is to somehow try to justify any of it.

        I have. Have you? Did Putin not make peaceful overtures to Ukraine? Did he not want to come to a mutually beneficial arrangement? Did Ukraine not ‘agree’ to the Minsk Accords?