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Senator’s bid to make US military support conditional on whether Israel is violating human rights in Gaza fails by 72 votes to 11
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Unsurprising. Thank you, Bernie, for trying.
Every time America is about to/in the process of making a mistake there’s a video of Bernie Sanders warning everyone not to do it.
Our very own Cassandra of Troy.
Bernie is a national treasure, we don’t deserve him
All the boomers purged their humanity so they could rape this planet. It formed into Bernie Sanders.
In a decent world Bernie would just be a normal guy.
That’s the sad part. We look at this dude saying just…seemingly normal humane things as one of the best people in politics.
Sanders is proof the US is working on a rigged system
he has had the people’s interest at heart since he first started his political career in the 60s and not just the US citizens
He will inspire a group of young people that will actually make the change when boomers die. So there’s that.
The two party thing has been going for 150 years. The top will not ever allow change in the regime.
Sanders almost won in 2016 but the DNC actively conspired against him to run Hillary. The Democrats will rather lose than allow the system to change.
The Democrats will rather lose than allow the system to change.
Prescient. I don’t think many centrist have realized that yet.
You, in another comment chain, are advocating for voting third party and advocating against grassroots change like Unionization and winning local elections. If you realize the top will never ever allow change in the regime, then why are you advocating against bottom-up pressure, and advocating for knowingly spoiling your vote?
Not the one concerned, but the two party system used to include the wigs. One party can get dismantled and I think it would only happen with bottom up pressure, and grass roots.
Yep, that’s my point entirely. With the current two party system, voting third party is purely a spoiler vote without mass grassroots pressure like Unionization and winning local elections. They’ve argued against building up that bottom-up pressure as pointless, and instead advocated for voting third party, getting the order entirely wrong.
With the current dem/rep split, voting Democrat is what leftists should do purely as loss prevention. It’s only with genuine outside, bottom-up pressure that third party could ever be viable.
There is nothing wrong with Unionizing. Just voting for the Nazis at the helm.
The point is what Bernie had proven. The Democrats will never change if you try to work with them or join them. This is similar to the excuse of Democrats “trying to find a middle ground” for Republicans voters that will never vote for them anyways and adopting right wing policies.
The party is rotten from the top. This is why progressive people made third parties to begin with. Because changing a rotten organization from the inside isn’t possible. You need a new organization to replace it.
You directly said that grassroots activism, ie Unionization, is akin to grassroots genocide, so I’m glad you’re walking that statement back.
The Democrats will not change if you work with them or join them, yes, neither will the Republicans, and third parties will absolutely never gain any traction without significant grassroots change like Unionization.
By voting third party without building up mass grassroots change, you’re spoiling your vote and enabling fascism. You can’t just vote a third party into office without genuine pressure from the bottom.
Again, read Reform or Revolution. You can’t change the Dems, and you can’t change the two party system itself, via voting. You understand that the dems can’t change, so then why do you think the entire US can change just with electoralism?
I made it 15 minutes through the paper you recommended and then gave up because there doesn’t seem to be a conclusion anywhere just a massive irrelevant story.
I don’t even know who she’s referencing in her story and I’m sure as hell not going to read some bank simp paper to find out.
I can recommend you this podcast that perfectly predicted every single thing that is happening today in America and israel. From an actual progressive that can use coherent words. The weird thing is that it was two years ago. And it almost feels like this podcast was recorded yesterday
Reform or Revolution is one of the most foundational writings in leftist history, so if this is just “some paper” to you and not the seminal work taking down the nonsense that is electoralism then you’re either a fed, or found the wrong paper. If you didn’t read Rosa Luxembourg’s masterwork and just happened to find some random progressive, then you get a pass, otherwise you’ve successfully outed yourself as a fed.
Recommending Hedges over Rosa Luxembourg, pretending he’s “an actual progressive that can use coherent words” while Rosa herself isn’t, is nothing short of pathetic. Hedges fancies himself a Marxist, yet you seem to ignore every single Marxist writer in history.
If Hedges is telling you that virtue signaling is all that matters, and that grassroots, bottom-up movements that stand to shift the very foundation that the two party system rests on is a waste of time, then neither you nor Hedges are leftists at all and are merely grifters and feds.
Reevaluate your positions and values. If you truly care about the Proletariat, then accept that electoralism is purely loss prevention and make an actual difference in people’s lives. Support a local Socialist candidate, join or start a union, and actually read theory, rather than getting your brain rotted out by podcast bros.
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Anyone got a list of who supported it?
Edit: so far I found that it was Sanders (duh), Rand Paul, and 9 democrats. Not sure who
Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky
Democratic Sen. Martin Heinrich of New Mexico
Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon
Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont
Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland
Democratic Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts
Democratic Sen. Laphonza Butler of California
Democratic Sen. Ben Ray Lujan of New Mexico
Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii
Democratic Sen. Peter Welch of Vermont
Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
Anyone got a list of who abstained? I want to do the math so I know how large the Senate Genocide Caucus is.
EDIT: I was trying to do math and kept overlooking how the article said that it was 72-11, which would mean 17 abstaining or absent. The Senate Genocide Caucus is 72 members wide.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1182/vote_118_2_00008.htm
It’s fucked that it’s 15 Republicans and only 2 Dems abstaining.
If my arithmetic is correct, the Senate Genocide Caucus consists of 2 Independents, 32 Republicans, and 37 Democrats.
=71. You’re short 1. (vote was 72-11)
I see what I did. I subtracted from 48 Republicans instead of 49. The Senate Genocide Caucus has 2 Independents, 33 Republicans, and 37 Democrats.
Grassley is in hospital
Rand Paul accidentally stumbles into the correct opinion.
Rand (and Ron) Paul always confuses me.
What’s there to be confused about?
Ron is a soft-spoken man who stood firm in his convictions, and was quietly friendly with white nationals and other horrible people. He’s retired now.
Rand is a bit of a blow hard with no convictions, and is loudly friendly with white nationals and other horrible people. He’s a sitting senator.
Because compared to other nameable Republicans, he occasionally votes in ways that are agreeable with many leftists. But like you said, he’s also still a massive piece of shit.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day…
Voting List for Anyone Interested
Fuck everyone that continues to support this genocide.
Important to note that this is a motion to table - so the “Yea” vote means they disagree with Bernie’s resolution.
39 Democrat senators (40 if you count Sinema) and 32 Republican senators.
I’d also like to remind people that 44 Democrats and 36 Republican senators voted to block the rail strike.
Procorporate trash. All of them. Fuck Joe Biden.
Ok, so Rand Paul actually did a good thing? Broken clock, etc, etc…
Bernie Sanders is obviously a raging anti-Semite.
The ADL just declared that Jewish Voice for Peace are antisemitic so Bernie probably isn’t far behind.
The measure was a first-of-its-kind tapping into a decades-old law that would require the US state department to, within 30 days, produce a report on whether the Israeli war effort in Gaza is violating human rights and international accords. If the administration failed to do so, US military aid to Israel, long assured without question, could be quickly halted.
Those senators must be pretty confident that a report would find human rights violations. Why would they oppose it otherwise?
They love giving US the “if you have nothing to hide” argument 🤷
if only democrats actually stood for what they say they stand for
we could of had eight years of bernie instead of eight years of further decline with trump and biden
Sigh, the US government never fails to disappoint.
if you think israel didn’t do anything wrong, why oppose an investigation?
(also milosevic did the same thing in the 90s and was prosecuted for it by the icc - the us supported that then)
Serbia bad, Israel good. Realpolitik
Problem is is that Serbia wasn’t a nuclear power. That’s the thing about prosecuting war criminals, they can’t have a nuke that’s tied to their vital signs.
During the Sheikh Jarrah incident I contacted everyone who politically represents me and told them to re-evaluate how freely they fund Isreal, they all gave me lots of lip service telling me they will consider it when opportunities arise and every last one of them voted against this. I don’t think I’ve ever in my life been accurately represented politically on a federal level, and the only reason that’s not true locally is because I’ve testified to local government committees on things that actually made it to the state house floor.
I wish I could give you a hug. It’s so useful to have your voice on this (and I assume other progressive matters?). There are many of us who feel the same way, and some of us are trying to regain our strength to try to improve the world again. Thanks.
Thank you. It’s tough to fight being disheartened when you constantly feel looked over, or like some politicians margin of error. They act like they’d rather lose my vote then consider my prerogatives.
Doesn’t look like there are many scruples left in DC.
There weren’t any in the first place.
This is the stupidest timeline.
Why?
Geopolitics overrides morality.
Concise and efficient, I like your answer.
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The republicans voted against it because it’s from him, and the democrats voted against it because they’re courting the right.
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Israel support is one of those things where you can confidently say that both sides are the same
It’s almost like both sides work for the same entity. Would make sense as to why they act similarly when their strategic allies are under pressure.
Illuminati confirmed.
Israel and large corporations. Let’s not forget Obama bailing out the banks with tax dollars after the 2008 collapse
RIAA & MPAA layers in the DoJ. Jeff Immelt for economic recovery. James Crown.
The DoJ appointments really bothered me because i was a 2600 subscriber and the MPAA shouldn’t even exist let alone have influence on society.
It sometimes feels like Bernie Sanders is the only American leader with an actual heart.
I knew he was “my guy” when I finally realized who he was in 2016. There was a time I watched a lot of documentaries, and every time this scraggly haired old dude was shown in some random clip of Congress doing their thing in relation to the documentary, he was always on the right side of the argument. So I see Bernie Sanders running and I said “oh shit, it’s that guy!”
No wonder the media demonizes him…
What did anyone expect? Both sides take military industrial complex money
Don’t think the MIC is the deciding factor here, nor that the MIC particularly cares whether aid is attached to human rights scrutiny.
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I think the core here is that the MIC just wants to sell weapons and it doesn’t really matter who or where the ammunition use happens on or with , but that ammo is used and more ammo is bought.
What I meant by my comment is that they aren’t ‘picking sides’ so much as making sure that oversight isn’t enforced so arms sales can continue unimpeded.
