And these are the top countries to move to.
  • anteaters@feddit.deEnglish
    972·
    11 months ago

    Calling Germany the 3rd best for digital nomads is the biggest indicator that this list can go directly into the garbage.

      • BestBouclettes@jlai.luEnglish
        33·
        11 months ago

        Also, your broadband and mobile network is also pretty bad as far as Europe goes, especially compared to all your neighbours.

          • zeluko@kbin.social
            51·
            11 months ago

            The business offers are pretty good. Its like 15€/M for real Unlimited and full Speed. And even has 2 Sim cards included.
            But the reception and speed you get are not very good overall once you leave cities, the best provider is only a bit better than the worst…
            thanks CDU, having to spend lots of money for frequency rights really helped get better service.

          • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            That’s sad to hear. I had hoped that with cities such as Berlin, Munich and Hamburg, the Internet infrastructure would have improved

            • the_third@feddit.deEnglish
              16·
              11 months ago

              with cities such as Berlin, Munich and Hamburg

              I remember my vacations to Finland in the 2010s. You’d drive 45 minutes on a gravel backroad, but you’d have LTE coverage and unlimited volume with some 20ish Euro prepaid card from a shop at the ferry dock. That was absolutely weird as a German to me back then and it still would feel unusual now.

              This country has been clinging to the, I don’t know, 90s when things were remembered as somewhat okay and now there’s about 30% of the people trying to steer it back to the 1930s instead of forward. We’re fucked and on the best road to a has-been.

            • MrMakabar@feddit.deEnglish
              5·
              11 months ago

              It imporved, but new software also requires better internet all the time. Hence it has to improve much faster. The good part is fiber is starting to be deployed on scale finally. Also 5g is actually deployed much faster then the previous standards, which makes catching up possible. However a lot of service providers do not offer it and it costs way more then in other EU countries.

  • FluffyPotato@lemm.eeEnglish
    232·
    11 months ago

    Is digital nomad the new expat? Like we got a word for it: it’s immigrant.

    • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
      17·
      11 months ago

      Is digital nomad the new expat?

      Kind of.

      Think of it like a retiree trying to find a place to live where their salary isn’t tied to the local economy. It opens up a lot of places with a relatively low living expenses and high quality of life.

      They are immigrants, but they are immigrants with money.

      • FluffyPotato@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        To immigrate anywhere you need quite a bit of money so immigrants usually have money. Like the travel alone is quite costly, not to mention housing.

    • crispy_kilt@feddit.deEnglish
      102·
      11 months ago

      Immigrant is the word for poor not-white people, silly. White rich people are called eXpAtS, don’t you know?

      /s

        • geissi@feddit.deEnglish
          6·
          11 months ago

          Immigrant suggests desire for permanent residence though.

          I’d rather say “long term” than permanent.
          You can immigrate to a country, work there for 10 years, then emigrate again.

        • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
          51·
          11 months ago

          Most of the digital nomads I know end up settling somewhere at some point, moving around all the time gets tiring after a while

    • boatswain@infosec.pubEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      My understanding is that digital nomads are basically just long-term tourists rather than immigrants; they don’t get visas that allow permanent residency or anything. Iceland’s digital nomad visa, for example, only lets you stick around for 6 months, and you can’t renew it more than once a year. So you really do have to be somewhat nomadic, and travel to a different country.

    • sunbytes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      I always thought it was about being Nomadic, so you’re constantly moving.

      So more like a permanent tourist, who is just doing their working hours during the holiday.

      One week here, two weeks there etc.

      I work with people who do this, so I know it exists.

  • Clbull@lemmy.worldEnglish
    182·
    11 months ago

    I’d actually argue against (at least Western and Northern) Europe for digital nomads, purely because you could move to somewhere in the developing world and live an incredibly comfortable lifestyle thanks to a much lower cost of living. Your mileage will vary based on what languages you speak, of course.

    • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      101·
      11 months ago

      Living in the developing world brings its own kind of issues, medical emergencies for instance, as well as the English proficiency around you (which is probably one of the reasons the top 3 countries are DK, DE and NL)

        • bad_alloc@feddit.deEnglish
          8·
          11 months ago

          Ju meight häf tu diehl whiz ze akzent, but owerall itsch not tu bäd ei sink. :)

        • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
          6·
          11 months ago

          Probably region dependent, but the cliche seems to be that when asked, Germans say “they don’t speak English very well”, while actually having a quite good level (based on what visiting English speakers say, anyway)

    • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      There are some places of value there.

      Portugal is really cheap and had programs to bring in digital nomads. Berlin has a relatively low cost of living for Germany with decent amenities.

      The split between developing and developed has dissolved.

          • zaphod@feddit.deEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            No, it is/was meme on the other site, in a lot of statistics Portugal aligns more with Eastern Europe. If you go far enough to the east you end up in the west, so Portugal is just a far eastern european country instead of western european.

  • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
    145·
    11 months ago

    No, stay away from Europe, we don’t want you, our real estate prices are already sky high compared to the median wages. So don’t come here!

      • JoeKrogan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 months ago

        Yeah my Portuguese friends have said the same. Many cant afford to buy in their own areas anymore.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          Police and Firefighters beating each other up, Farmers dropping shit in city centers, high rate of poverty, crime and corruption. No safe drinking water from the tap in many areas in the south of France. Energy instability due to failing nuclear power in combination with electrical heating. Inefficient bureaucracy, violent and extremely racist Police…

            • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              This reminds me of the debate regarding racism, fascist extremism and violence in the German police. Whenever something happened it was deflected by politics as an “Einzelfall” a solitary occurence. When you keep seeing what you call “micro events” you should look into the underlying pattern.

          • noobdoomguy8658@feddit.deEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            I once worked with someone from France, while working in a German branch for a company, and they lived in Switzerland at that time, saying they just pay less taxes that way and take home more money.

            Your post makes me think it wasn’t just taxes.

            • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              Yeah most definetely not. There is a lot of people from the surrounding countries working in Switzerland, but living outside of Switzerland to take advantage of the power of the Franken compared to the Euro.

              Doing the opposite really weakens your income, so people in Switzerland tend not to work outside of Switzerland.

          • akrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Drug cartels and gangs spreading everywhere, homelessness in big cities, you can’t walk at night alone as a woman without being harrassed.

    • shartedchocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      11 months ago

      Uh, yeah I’m gonna say this list can absolutely go into the garbage. Calling Denmark first is pure comedy due to the insane cost of co-working spaces, Denmark being the second worst country to integrate into after Sweden, insane rental deposits and the unreal taxes. (Researcher tax scheme excluded 😉)

    • sunbytes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Yeah the rent/pay ratio for a lot of jobs won’t work great in the Netherlands.

      Amsterdam is one of the most expensive cities in Europe, so an income from another nation won’t get you very far (unless you’re coming from Australia or London, where pay can be proportionally higher for some roles).

      It would be like living off a small town salary while paying New York rent.