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Speaking as a Brit, the only way to get TLoU was to subscribe to Sky TV, which (as far as I’m aware) requires a 12 month contract. Fuck that, quite frankly.
So I took to the high seas because I could.
There’s also Now TV, or NOW as it’s called…err… now.
Amazon Prime is now charging to get rid of ads
Is that worldwide? I just assumed it was US only
Im in the US
/edit; Woops, meant to be a top-level comment, not a reply…
Monitoring torrents, especially public ones, is quite easy.
While the Brits commonly use fortnights and “next Tuesdays” the conversion to months isn’t too complicated if you’re used to it
I’ll see you next Tuesday, if you’d like.
Now tv doesn’t require a contract like that, in fact we just used a trial which they’re very generous on giving out to people multiple times. So when a site like that comes out we use a trial if there’s one available and then depending on the runtime we might only have to pay a month and it’s pretty cheap if you just get TV shows and not movies.
Now TV is fucking awful though. They still think 1080p and surround sound are luxury optional extras.
It’s basically just cybersquatting on shows so nobody else can have them, and remind you that you could watch them in decent quality if only you weren’t such a cheapskate and would subscribe to full Sky.
I mean, doesn’t Netflix also charge extra for 1080p? Also I’m not a massive fan of Now, I only get it when there’s a show I really want to watch on it.
Netflix also won’t serve 1080p if you are on PC. Even though you have specifically paid for 1080p or higher.
Additionally, even though Fox sold their shares in Sky years ago, I still can’t divest them in my head from the Murdoch empire.
That’s what happens when it takes 8 separate subscriptions to keep up with TV
I went on a smash and grab of all the shows I’d been meaning to watch, but hadn’t been on any of the services I’d subbed to for the last few years.
Turns out they were all HBO shows.
I need some great stuff to watch, mind mentioning some of your favorite shows? Thanks!
True Detective was pretty good. Especially season 1.
It’s already seen The Wire, but catch that if you missed it. Also, We Own This City by the same writer.
And for something lighter, I got Silicon Valley, Flight of the Conchords and Succession.
Not had a chance to watch Peacemaker, Watchmen or Generation Kill yet. I was going to grab The Sopranos but I’m running out of space.
running out of space
I just delete the ones I’ve watched. The more popular ones will always be available
And thanks for the recommendations
all HBO shows.
Which isn’t available in the UK so fuck 'em I’ll pirate.
… How would you even measure that?
/edit: ah, popular downloads from one particular torrent provider. Not the wider picture.
Add on pirate streams, usenet, and the other half a billion torrent sites and those numbers muddy a bit…
I don’t think it said just 1 specific torrent provider. But even then, as long as it was a decently sized generic torrent provider, what makes you think it would not be representative of the bigger picture?
They explicitly state these are Torrent Freaks numbers. Along with:
It should be noted, as Torrent Freak does, these statistics only reflect a portion of any pirated content this year. The stats are specifically for single-episode torrents, rather than season-wide packages, and even more specifically they’re based on data from the torrenting platform BitTorrent. Just as television has grown and evolved across new formats in the last decade or so, so has piracy, with more and more people turning to sites hosting streams of pirated content, rather than “traditionally” pirating content through downloaded, local copies.
These numbers only reflect piracy of one type and among that type only one, very public, provider. (and not even their entire community, just those that download episodes one by one) That’s quite a limited scope. Lots of pirates don’t like such public services and/or use other protocols/methods of acquiring media.
Personally, I don’t even use Torrents at all anymore, let alone Torrent Freak, yet I pirate hundreds of hours of media every month. I’ve also been hearing far more commonly in the last few years about people using pirate streaming services instead of downloads.
If you want the full picture, you’ve gotta expand your demographics. When you only ask the straight white men, all you get is what straight white men think, instead of the whole community’s opinion.
Torrent Freak is not a piracy website. They are a news publication that talks about torrenting and piracy. They describe themselves as follows:
TorrentFreak is a publication dedicated to bringing the latest news about copyright, privacy, and everything related to filesharing. We are not a news aggregator but focus on unique and fresh stories. TorrentFreak is where news and copyright issues collide.
For this specific article, they mention that they
estimated based on sample data from several sources, including I Know.
The source article in question:
https://torrentfreak.com/the-last-of-us-is-the-most-pirated-tv-show-of-2023-231225/
Ah, my bad. Could have sworn they were an indexer; but it’s been a while since I’ve used torrents.
“several sources” is rather… ‘trust us’. Not a fan of that kind of reporting. But I know what you download is something at least.
That expands the scope to several public indexer sites instead of just one, but it’s still only public peer-to-peer (torrent) traffic being measured. Usenet, direct download, private/pirate streaming, and private peer-to-peer are still left out.
Oh for sure, it’s pretty hand wavey, and doesn’t cover everything, but it’s at least something!
So, back to the original question: what makes you think that using public torrent trackers are not representative of the bigger picture?
Yes, obviously not being able to use private stats from private sources narrows the scope, but what makes you think it cannot be extrapolated? Personally, I think that private trackers or usenet would paint the same picture, and niche providers would be too small to make a dent in the stats.
Because I’m more interested in data than opinion. Maybe they’re the same, maybe they aren’t; without any data to back it up, that’s all it is, opinions.
When I said the numbers muddy, I’m not saying they’re wrong necessarily; just that they become quite unclear. You can’t be sure they’re accurate because you’re making assumptions to reach them.
Part of this stems from an opinion of my own however: that public torrents are a shrinking market share of piracy. More and more I see conversations dominated by streams, private torrent trackers, and usenet. That’s not to say they’ve disappeared or ever will, but other means seem more common lately. Though that’s admittedly hard to gauge.
A small slice can give you an idea of what the bigger picture may be, but the smaller the slice the less chance that idea will be accurate. Take a jigsaw puzzle for example: if I only look at 10% of the pieces I may get enough detail to figure out what the image is supposed to be, or maybe I’ll only get pieces of the empty blue sky… (or is that water… I can’t tell)
law of large numbers: it’s probably fairly representative
Piracy will increase as streaming services get more exclusive and more expensive. Fuck em, we sail the seas again.
Just re-downloaded plex after a 5 year break after I got the email about prime going up. Back to the seas for me!
I just searched and found my old usenet account again after 7 or so years. Still 1TB of data left! Still amazing content and speeds!
We still have a bunch of pirated stuff from years ago, but then we were satisfied with Netflix and didn’t bother using it. Now we’re using it more because stuff we want just isn’t available, and I have several terabytes of space left on it NAS. All I need now is to get less lazy and start filling up again.
Yeah bruh, I can’t be bothered with subscriptions & shit.
But it’s this specific show, so I wonder if people were interested enough to check it out but not enough to pay to do so, which would track for TLOU and especially for a video game adaptation.
Well, not like you can own anything anymore.
I’d put money on Australia being the top country to pirate it, no one wants to give Foxtel money to watch a HBO show.
I can’t be bothered to figure out which streaming service it’s on. Also my *arr stack is fully automated and shared with ~15 people so the cost per person is very low considering my nas and nuc use ~100W combined, that’s $12/mo for 15 people based on my local electric rate. I would gladly put my plex/jellyfin server in the closet and pay for a subscription if I could pay $12/mo to legally watch any show / movie on however many screens I want from wherever I want. But until then, my arrstack is both cheaper for the features and more convenient in content availability.
As a comparison, to subscribe to every major streaming service would be upwards of $90 per month.
As someone who is into tech but doesn’t understand what you’re saying here, is there a glossary, or wiki that I could read up on your setup? Looking to swap to the high seas this year but wanna do it in a way that’s smart and convenient.
I’m not sure if the piracy megathread or FMHY megathread cover the *arr stack specifically, but they have lots of information so I’m recommending them broadly for anyone wanting to ingest information about piracy.
Regarding what the arr stack even is:
Tldr, you set up a list of public and/or private trackers in Prowlarr or Jackett. In Radarr and Sonnar you set up movies and shows respectively that you want to keep track of. Rad/Sonarr check those trackers for releases for your tracked media matching criteria (like resolution, size, language, etc).
When it finds a matching release, it sends the torrent file or magnet link to your torrent client to download. When it finishes, Rad/Sonarr hardlink or copy the file to a library location and organize/name them according to rules you set.
You can point Jellyfin or Plex to that library location and all the media will be organized so it can easily figure out what media is there and grab metadata for it (cover images, description, ratings, etc). Then you can watch that media through Jellyfin/Plex or an app that plugs into them.
The *arrs also work with usenet if you’d prefer that over or in addition to torrenting with a vpn.
The servarr wiki and the trash guides have a lot of info on what the various pieces do and how to set them up. I didn’t strictly follow them but I’ve browsed them to get ideas on stuff like custom formats and such to get sonarr/radarr to automatically download and upgrade towards the codecs/quality that I prefer.
Personally I run Plex+jellyfin side by side to start, then sonarr/radarr/lidarr to download and organize TV/movies/music, with prowlarr to auto setup torrent sites into sonarr/radarr/lidarr, with a transmission+VPN docker container connected to each of the same 3, and finally an overseerr web ui that my friends can log into to submit requests to be auto downloaded by sonarr/radarr.
It’s a lot to set up at once, but I started out with just Plex like 10 years ago and I’ve slowly added each container as time went on so it’s only like a couple weekends a year where I tinker with it or do a migration to a new box as I moved from place to place and had different spaces available for my gear. Start with just a Plex and/or jellyfin server, you can tinker with sonarr/radarr without using it to auto download at the start. It’s still super useful for renaming / organizing files, and you can only add certain folders if you don’t want it to mess with a collection that you prefer to manually manage. Or create a new junk library folder to let it run amok with until you have it configured to your liking. Add in a torrent+VPN/Usenet downloader container to get it auto downloading when you’re ready, and when you get tired of accepting requests personally from friends, an overseerr (for Plex) or jellyseerr (for jellyfin) container they can log into with using their existing Plex/jellyfin login to have their requests automatically forwarded to the appropriate *arr app and you’ll have a fully automated low or no touch piracy setup. One of these days I’ll also get bazarr up and running to make it easier to grab subtitles too since every once in a while I download something obscure and the only torrents for it dont have subs so I manually grab them from opensubtitles or something. It feels pretty magical though when you’ve requested a series and throughout the week, you see new episodes just pop up on the recently aired/added row in Plex/jellyfin within an hour or two of the episodes airing.
Their quick start quides are pretty good.
I’d start with Radarr (Movie manager), add on Prowlarr (indexer manager), then expand from there. Once you’ve learned Radarr, the others are very similar.
After that, look into a reverse proxy along with a domain name: Nginx or Apache are the two I hear about most. I use nginx myself. This will let you access services using easily readable names (sonarr.example.com) instead of having to remember the ip+port combinations of each service (192.168.0.200:8096) as well as add https if you’re going to be exposing things like emby/jellyfin/plex publicly.
A domain can be purchased/rented from a public registrar to point at your public IP, but you can also use them entirely within your own LAN for free if you setup a local DNS server. I just use pihole for this: easy to setup+use, while providing DNS based adblocking for the whole network.
I don’t mind answering questions or providing clarification where I can. :)
Same. Even when I have a sub for something I want to watch (like Prime), it’s just easier to let *arr sort it out and tell me when a new episode is ready.
Because it was also the best show of 2023?
Also DVD release was held back from the initial advertised date (or at least if it wasn’t, nobody had it for at least a month from then). Plenty of the supposedly legit sets online - including on Amazon etc - were also clever counterfeits (I ended up with one)
The most popular show is also the one most pirated…
Amazing stuff
I think I may have actually pirated this one at some point. Never intended to watch it, just a grab and seed sort of deal
You’re welcome
REALLY tried to like it. Watched the whole thing but then afterwards, I felt like I had watched nothing. The farther away I get from the show, the more I dislike it. All of the acting was great. And when they got away from the video game, the story was wonderful. But I felt like I was watching a video game - which I was in a way. And I felt like it was trying way to hard to be profound. It’s sad because I thought that “Chernobyl” was one of the best things I’ve ever watched on television.
Edit: Completely realize that this post was not about TLoU but just needed to get this off my chest. When everyone raves about it, I feel like I’ve been taking crazy pills. On the subject of the post, yes, streaming services are getting way too expensive and I think we’ll reach an inflection point soon where they will all start collapsing at once.
It’s a very plot-driven story with very little deviation from the main mission. I loved the show but I agree that the plot is especially linear (much like a video game) and without the in-between bits where you’d be playing the game in the original story the pacing can feel rushed.
I think the show could have benefited from more time with Joel and Ellie to develop their relationship but I don’t know how they could have done that without bloating the story with filler that wasn’t original to the game, which would not have gone over well.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Torrent Freak’s annual look at piracy in 2023 saw the top 10 shows once again dominated by familiar faces from the world of streaming sci-fi, fantasy, and superhero material.
It’s a running trend for the last few years since the age of Game of Thrones’ climax—which dominated torrent sites for pretty much the entirety of its run, a legacy continued now by House of the Dragon, which took the crown in 2022—gave way to pirated streaming content.
It should be noted, as Torrent Freak does, these statistics only reflect a portion of any pirated content this year.
But even with that in mind, it’s not surprising that for the most part the biggest shows in demand are the ones that require premiums to access across multiple streaming platforms—even The Last of Us fits this, as both a hybrid show broadcast on premium cable and simulcast on (HBO) Max.
As the streaming age continues to descend into a portfolio of walled gardens, rather than its initial promise of offering access to content from a variety of studios in a singular place, it remains unsurprising that people will see piracy as an alternative to paying for another subscription-based service on top of what they already do to try out a show.
It’s not like the streamer didn’t have any big shows this year, either—it’s more likely that a lot more people have a Netflix subscription than they do an Apple TV+ or Disney+ subscription… and given the general trend across many streaming platforms this year has been increasing prices on cut or stagnated content, and, well, can you blame people for not wanting to buy in on top of what they already have?
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