Data poisoning: how artists are sabotaging AI to take revenge on image generators::As AI developers indiscriminately suck up online content to train their models, artists are seeking ways to fight back.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Just don’t out your art to public if you don’t want someone/thing learn from it. The clinging to relevance and this pompous self importance is so cringe. So replacing blue collar work is ok but some shitty drawings somehow have higher ethical value?

    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      11 months ago

      “Just don’t make a living with your art if you aren’t okay with AI venture capitalists using it to train their plagiarism machines without getting permission from you or compensating you in any way!”

      If y’all hate artists so much then only interact with AI content and see how much you enjoy it. 🤷‍♂️

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        using it to train their plagiarism machines

        That’s simply not how AI works, if you look inside the models after training, you will not see a shred of the original training data. Just a bunch of numbers and weights.

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          11 months ago

          | Just a bunch of numbers and weights

          I agree with your sentiment, but it’s not just that the data is encoded as a model, but it’s extremely lossy. Compression, encoding, digital photography, etc is just turning pictures into different numbers to be processed by some math machine. It’s the fact that a huge amount of information is actually lost during training, intentionally, that makes a huge difference. If it was just compression, it would be a gaming changing piece of tech for other reasons. YouTube would be using it today, but it is not good at keeping the original data from the training.

          Rant not really for you, but in case someone else nitpicks in the future :)

        • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          11 months ago

          If the individual images are so unimportant then it won’t be a problem to only train it on images you have the rights to.

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            11 months ago

            They do have the rights because this falls under fair use, It doesn’t matter if a picture is copyrighted as long as the outcome is transformative.

      • teichflamme@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        It has literally nothing to do with plagiarism.

        Every artist has looked at other art for inspiration. It’s the most common thing in the world. Literally what you do in art school.

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          11 months ago

          It’s not an artist any more than a xerox machine is. It hasn’t gone to art school. It doesn’t have thoughts, ideas, or the ability to create. It can only take and reuse what has already been created.

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            11 months ago

            The ideas are what the prompts and fine tuning is for. If you think it’s literally copying an existing piece of art you just lack understanding because that’s not how it works at all.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        It has nothing to do with AI venture capitalists. Also not every profession is entitled to income, some are fine to remain as primarily hobbies.

        AI art is replacing corporate art which is not something we should be worried about. Less people working on that drivel is a net good for humanity. If can get billions of hours wasted on designing ads towards real meaningful contributions we should added billions extra hours to our actual productivity. That is good.

        • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          11 months ago

          The ratio of using AI to replace ad art:fraud/plagiarism has to be somewhere around 1:1000.

          “Actual productivity” is a nonsense term when it comes to art. Why is this less “meaningful” than this?

          Without checking the source, can you even tell which one is art for an ad and which isn’t?

          • lad@programming.dev
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            11 months ago

            I would assume the first to be an ad, because most of depicted people look happy

          • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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            11 months ago

            I’m not sure what’s your point here? Majority of art is drivel. Most art is produced for marketing. Literally. If that can be automated away what are we losing here? McDonald’s logos? Not everything needs to be a career.

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      11 months ago

      The idea that you would actually object to replacing labor with automation, but think replacing art with automation is fine, is genuinely baffling.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Except the “art” ai is replacing is labor. This snobby ridiculous bullshit that some corporate drawings are somehow more important than other things is super cringe.

      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        Yeah, no. There’s a difference between posting your work for someone to enjoy, and posting it to be used in a commercial enterprise with no recompense to you.

        • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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          How are you going to stop that lol it’s ridiculous. Would you stop a corporate suit from viewing your painting because they might learn how to make a similar one? It’s makes absolutely zero sense and I can’t believe delulus online are failing to comprehend such simple concept of “computers being able to learn”.