Critics for movies tend to shit on everything I like. Critics for video games tend to overrate games highly way too much.
I don’t know about game critics, but movie critics have (usually) studied film on an academic level, and watched a whole fuck ton of movies for the purpose of breaking them down and analyzing them. They’re not watching and/or thinking about movies like most people. Of course they will judge them differently.
Yeah. I basically focusing on nitpicky professional details and missing the “is this movie entertaining/fun” part.
You can differentiate between if a film is “objectively” good and subjectively enjoyable to yourself.
The problem is critics are people who always value the new and interesting, and good acting. Because they watch a lot of movies, day in day out.
Sometimes normal viewers just want something dumb that’s exactly what they expect.
For me, it’s not Bruce that’s great in Die Hard. It’s Rickman. Die Hard 3 does better on the protagonist side because of the chemistry between Jackson and Willis, but again it’s the classically trained theatre actor doing a lot of the heavy lifting, single-handedly stopping it from turning into an episode of Blue’s Clues.
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My belief is that at least half of the reviewers for anything are just really desperate to be distinguished and taken serious, so if a thing has too much mass appeal and/or it’s too low brow they can’t like it on principle.
In his latest movie, Bruce Willis plays a cop trying to rekindle his ailing marriage. A classic romantic comedy setting which unfortunately gets bogged down by a bizarre terrorist sub plot which ends up taking way too much screen time.
Sadly we’re going to recommend giving this one a pass.
The issue was Bruce Willis at the time was more or less regarded as a comedy star as his last several movies were romantic comedy’s.
No one really expected this movie or knew how to approach it.
And the last thing you want is a confused movie critic with a masters in Spanish literature trying to figure out if the movie was good or not!
“This thing doesn’t have a single horse? What’s up with that?!”
I don’t recall the reviews of the first movie but I vividly recall LOTS of articles exclaiming about all the unnecessary violence in the second movie. One news piece had some “expert” show how many times MacLaine would have died, broken bones, etc if it were real. So much free advertising.
Sounds like an earlier version of this
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think this movie is good lol. I get that it’s very nostalgic and it has its moments but otherwise it’s not too different from any other late 80’s/early 90’s action film. Which is frankly not a high bar to achieve.
I understand how, in retrospect, it may feel like it isn’t groundbreaking, but do consider that before Die Hard, there really wasn’t anything quite like it.
A quote straight from Wikipedia:
It is considered to have revitalized the action genre, largely due to its depiction of McClane as a vulnerable and fallible protagonist, in contrast to the muscle-bound and invincible heroes of other films of the period.
While it did sort of fall apart and away from what made it great in the later sequels, I think it’s important to put the film into the context of when it was released and what it did to the genre.
All that to say, Die Hard fucking rules.
Exactly, this is 100% Seinfeld is Unfunny material.
In the eighties, action films preferred invincible heroes who slaughtered mooks by the dozen with casual disdain. Die Hard popularized grittier and more realistic action, with heroes who are vulnerable and suffer from character faults. It also popularized the concept of action movies confined to limited space, a setup that this very wiki calls ““Die Hard” on an X”. (For example, Speed is “Die Hard on a bus.”) Also, at the time it came out, people were shocked at the idea of a comedic actor like Bruce Willis being an action star. Nowadays, what with Tom Hanks Syndrome, comedic actors doing serious roles aren’t nearly so amazing. Younger fans might not even know Willis got his start in comedy.
Same reason I like Dredd from 2012. They confined the story mostly to a location and one main enemy, and I think it helped a bit cause Dredd generally has no flaws and can’t be beat.
Dredd (2012) is just “Die Hard on LSD”
Jokes aside, Dredd rules.
Just learned about the Seinfeld is Unfunny trope from your comment. What a helpful expression in describing media/pop culture progenitors!
Yeah it’s a good way of realizing why certain things from your past felt so amazing at the time, but are seen as less impressive to people just experiencing it now. It’s hard to describe just how awe inspiring The Matrix was to see in the theaters, or how incredible Golden Eye felt to play on the Nintendo 64 for the first time. Looking back, those things feel like one of a million other movies and games. But that’s only because a million other movies and games were changed forever because of them.
Or to take it a step further back, try getting someone without context before the modrrn era to understand how groundbreaking Casablanca is. So many tropes were invented in that movie, but watched without that understanding many would say “what’s the big deal ?”
It’s a good movie even now. But it’s a great movie with context
I’m in my 40s and wasn’t aware of his comedy career.
I think that TV Tropes page was written like a decade ago, if that helps you feel better.
I mean, I don’t think Moonlighting really targeted preteens and children, so that tracks.
He could be a fucking bartender for all we know!
That was my complaint after Die Hard with a Vengeance. He became a little indestructible and lost some of the flaws that made the character exciting to watch. The first 3 are great in keeping true to the character, but the movies after DHwaV are just generic action movies borrowing a character’s name.
I maintain that Live Free or Die Hard is a much better movie when you watch the uncensored version. Yeah, a lot of the shit McClane goes through is not something any regular Joe would survive but the movie at least tries to make it survivable. And the uncensored version adds in a lot of the blood that should’ve been present with all of that bullshit in the first place.
I didn’t watch the uncensored version. Might have to give that a try.
It’s a little hard to find. Never released on Blu Ray and only available to purchase in 1080p and also not streaming anywhere (that I’m aware of). Might also be hard to find on the high seas as a result. But good luck to you!
Oh come on, Die Hard 4 & 5 show he’s clearly a flawed character with common average everyday struggles like being a deadbeat dad.
In minor defense of DH4, which I agree goes beyond the premise of the first 3, it does kind of follow that John would be better able to do some crazier things after going through the events of the first 3 movies. He still shouldn’t be indestructible, but his experiences definitely qualify him as badass at that point. I also still like DH4, so I wanna justify that somewhat, hah. DH5 is just not good, though.
it was so different because he was an anti-hero, and he got visibly beat thoroughly and never stopped being a smart ass about it.
I wanted to say that’s not what ‘anti-hero’ means, but I kind of see where you’re coming from. In my mind, an anti-hero does terrible stuff to achieve good goals (Deadpool being a prime example), while John McClaine does do some pretty vicious things, but is more or less just trying to survive, not because he wants to do the terrible things.
My kids watched it for the first time ever last weekend. They had no nostalgia or frame of reference for it and yet they both loved it - “the dumbest fun movie I’ve seen in ages”. We’re watching #2 tonight.
I’ve always told people they’re thinking too much when they watch these movies. Just have fun. They’re ridiculous, that’s the point.
That’s the thing, it WAS different to other action movies at the time. Im not going to say you are wrong not to like it, but it can’t be denied that it blazed a trail for a new type of action movie and, as a result, is loved by millions.
That’s because it set the mould, and dozens of copy cats followed the formula thereafter.
It’s like looking at Half-Life in 2023 as someone who never played it in 1999. It doesn’t look like much of anything; but that’s because everything that followed copied it.
Maybe so, but if they did it better then as someone who watched it later it doesn’t do much for me.
I’m curious which movies you would say did it better. I’m always up for a good watch (if I haven’t already seen it).
I mean nobody is going to call it some high art cinematic masterpiece. But it is a fun entertaining movie.
Well, maybe that’s my problem. It’s not some grand masterpiece of film and I didn’t find it very entertaining. Obviously that’s a subjective judgment on my part though.
I suppose you had to be there at the time. For people who only watched US/Hollywood films it was wild. There hadn’t been much, if anything, like it before. Everything that came after it… came after it.
It’s not outstanding but it is well crafted.
Iconic action scenes, memorable, quotable dialog and one liners. Great charismatic actors playing the hero and the main villian. Good actors playing supporting characters.
Decent coherent easy to follow story.Lots of action movies from that era don’t score highly on at least a few of those points and have been mostly forgotten.
That’s fair. It is a well rounded movie. I just didn’t find it exceptional.
I haven’t bothered to watch it again since the 90s.
I agree with you.
I’ll watch most of the Schwarzenegger movies from this era ahead of this.
This is pretty much my thought. It’s an enjoyable movie, but I’ve always been of the opinion that “enjoyable” and “good” aren’t the same thing.
There are good movies and music that I don’t enjoy, and they’re are movies and music I enjoy that aren’t good.
Normally when critics don’t like it it’s a good movie.
For example, Deuce Bigelow, European Gigolo
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I love Biodome. Don’t you dare diss Paulie Shore and whatever Baldwin was in the movie.
Lots of critical have liked lots of good movies
On Rotten tomatoes the movies I’ve disliked most have 90s and my favourite movies are below 50
Critics don’t judge entertainment they judge “art”. Artistic films are not made to entertain, they are made for concept or to “get a message across”. A Critics opinion is not for the public, it’s for pretencious “artists”
You’re being downvoted but in a way you’re right.
You cant be a food reviewer and review a pepperoni pizza as “the worst soup I ever had”. You need to review things as what they set out to achieve.
Most film critics do judge on entertainment value though. The difference is that film critics are watching like 200 movies a year (or more) so a lot more stuff is going to seem like tired retreads to them.
I also think there’s a certain…let’s slide into whiskey, for a minute. Whiskey affectionados, the ones who know when to spell it with or without an E, own their own glencairn glasses and such, tend to dislike Crown Royal effectively because it’s a basic bitch whiskey. There’s way more exciting whiskies out there than Crown. Crown Royal sells a LOT of whiskey, a lot of it to people who don’t even recognize it as whiskey. In their mind, “it’s Crown Royal.”
So the whiskey critic who went to booze school and got a master’s degree in liquoroloy will pan it, and folks who just want something easy to drink over rocks or to booze up a diet coke will read the expert review and say “This man is obviously a rock chewing idiot.”
In 1988, what was the general consensus on “fun” or “over the top” movies? Did 80s audiences not understand how fucking cool the action movies of their era were? Was it yet another critics vs average chad movie enjoyer scenario?
The audience loved those movies, thats why they became classics. But movie reviewers were much more pretentious back then. Nowadays it is more socially acceptable for a movie critic to say they had fun with a mainstream action movie.
Oh, it must be Christmas time
