So uh… Israel… I’m pretty sure “never forget” doesn’t mean “we should practice it so we don’t forget how to conduct an efficient genocide”
Nonono… It’s “never forget what happened to the Jews”.
…and use that as a strategy guide to oppress others?
Literally selective sympathies huh. I just don’t get why they can’t make things better with people instead of burning literal food to try win.
And the USA funds the genocide
And acts as the good guys to boot.
Wouldn’t genocide be an effort to kill all Palestinans everywhere, like the millions in other Arab states?
You know, instead of focusing on the elected government of Gaza (who still has 57%+ support amongst Gazan civilians), who targeted 1200+ civilians intentionally in one of the worst terroist attacks of recent memory?
Definition Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
in whole or in part. Not that you care, just for anybody wondering what the Geneva convention says. Though people should not base their morality on law, even UN law.
Which is why Hamas who is intentionally co-locating (and the target of the attacks) in what would otherwise be protected targets is a war crime.
If Hamas was not using civilian shields and being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them, then absolutely it would be a war crime.
It’s just that unlike many armchair legal scholars here, I’m aware that the intended terrorist targets make this a nonsense legal argument. Again, without Hamas there you’d be correct.
The convention isn’t written in a vacuum. And misusing and diminishing the term genocide a bad idea.
being aided by the majority of Gaza residents who support them
“It’s not genocide, but if it is they deserve it”
Fucking disgusting Nazi logic.
Stating a fact that’s not convenient to your false narrative: “you’re a Nazi”. I realize there are people here who can not reason or be reasoned with—its sad.
Stating a fact that’s not convenient to your false narrative
Which fact? That Gaza civilians deserve to be slaughtered because of their alleged support of Hamas?
Honestly who are you trying to convince here?
no, collective punishment by genocide is about as Nazi as you get, then again, no wonder you got upset at it, you don’t even view “brown people” as human, they are all Terrorists, every Gaza Child is nothing but another terrorist, so why not kill them?
The genocide of Palestinians by Israel has been going on way longer than Hamas has existed.
I am no armchair legal scholar, I 've already argued against placing too much value on legality. It is you on the other hand who tries to minimize the severity of Israel’s wrongdoings by arguing pseudo-legalistic semantics.
If the 1948 convention never existed, Israel’s actions would be just as reprehensible.
In case anyone is on the fence about this issue and doesn’t realize this is easily disproven misinformation, there hasn’t been an election for the president or legislature in Palestine since 2006.. Hamas has maintained a stranglehold on the region for seventeen years by discontinuing elections.
Even if that was true, this is a bad faith argument anyhow: it’s entirely possible to focus on the atrocities being committed by both sides. Rivermonster simply seems to enjoy regurgitating Israeli propaganda.
Except that still males them the official and elected government. It’s weird that you want to ignore the facts. That you decide they’re illegitimate just bc it doesn’t fit your narrative is what’s wrong.
They still have majority support amongst residents. If there were an election today, they’d dominate. Who do you think would win? The PLA, Fatah, and West Bank can’t get rid of them fast enough. They want Hamas in there, too.
That’s true, the elected government of Gaza is a horrible fascist state and they are just as bad as the monsters who are gunning down civilians in that region. However that doesn’t mean the people of Gaza aren’t worth saving and don’t have value. I just don’t understand why, when we’re talking about a relatively small strip of land, the Palestinians can’t have their own self-governed state, free from interference by Israel. Or is that just too much to ask for in this world.
There were tunnels under that food
If so, hopefully, they’re flooded with seawater now and filled with dead Hamas.
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Retired IDF General Israel Ziv told CNN he had seen the videos and was so disturbed by them that he reached out to IDF commanders in charge of the soldiers involved.
“I was (told) that the brigade commander will punish the ones who did that once they stop fighting,” he told CNN.
In its statement to CNN, the IDF said that “disciplinary measures will be taken regarding the soldiers involved.”
In other words, they’re only interested in punishing the ones that get caught, and they’ll only process it well after it’s happened so they can just deliver a slap on the wrist.
In other words, they’re only interested in punishing the ones that get caught, and they’ll only process it well after it’s happened so they can just deliver a slap on the wrist.
By definition, you can only punish the ones that get caught.
Actually the Israelis are very strong supporters of collective punishment, given their stance on Palestinians I would have thought they would execute the families of entire platoons.
I cannot help but think of nazi Germany when I read this. It’s very similar
They gotta learn that somewhere…
Has anyone else noticed how prolific rivermonster is in this thread? And how their comments are full of half-truths that always favor Israeli policy? Weird, isn’t it?
I can’t figure out if they spread propaganda and disinformation professionally or if they just have a hard on for Jewish ethnostates or Muslim genocide.
Watching their mental gymnastics as they try to justify Israeli’s actions in Palestine while decrying Hamas’s similar behavior is always good for a laugh. Plus how they accuse anyone critical of Zionism to be a Nazi or anti-semite. They’re kinda the worst type of person.
Spamming the comment section with pro israeli comments or even just muddying the waters. I’ve seen it with a few posters, including rivermonster. It distracts those reading from the real issue being discussed, usually israeli crimes against humanity.
Well, from his comment history he is single minded at best.
generally, they also have problems with the concept of “before / after” or literally say they ignore anything that disagrees with their statement
Just block 'em and move on 🤷♂
Someone posting a lot of comments in a thread doesn’t necessarily mean much, beyond them engaging with the thread and replying to multiple comments as they scroll through. That isn’t to deny their bias, just to point out that their presence and bias doesn’t necessarily point to some kind of organised action.
Edit: ok I didn’t have to (nor thing I would have to) scroll far down to see that they are clearly a troll. The whole “it’s important to counter false narratives”, while clearly delivering a biased narrative, pretty clearly shows they’re not an honest actor.
Fuck this shit.
The most moral army of the only democracy in the Middle East! If you disagree, you’re homophobic since some of these soldiers are gay
Eh?
You could say the same about any army. There are some soldiers who are gay in all regiments around the world. But they aren’t there to be gay, they’re doing their job and in a way that’s maybe one of the better things about armies - they tend to be not so concerned about your sexual habits as much as your proficiency in combat.
Tragic how the abused has become the abuser.
This is not tragic. This is, has been, and will always be Israeli foreign policy. Ever since the state was created, they were supposed to be a “foothold of civilization in the region”. They have constantly settled outside of borders and into Palestinian territory, and then defended their settlements with their superior firepower. They have constantly waged this type of unorthodox war. They supported Hamas as a tactical strike against the more moderate candidates in Palestine, because you can’t paint moderates as the aggressor as easily - this worked wonders for their PR - they managed to clean their image, because they had an enemy that looked even worse.
Make no mistake friend - Israel has never been the abused, and throughout their short lifetime as a state they have only abused. They have been conducting an ethnic cleansing in the area. The only hope Palestinians have is that history books write the truth, but seeing as how Israel’s money isn’t running out and their reach is long, even this seems unlikely - just look at all the support they still have despite their foreign policy being literally genocide.
Yes, ever since being created, the Muslim world has attacked over multiple wars with multiple arab states coordinating. And fortunately they have lost over and over.
Since the creation of Israel, the Muslim Arab world has stolen the land of 800,000+ jews who lived all over the Arab states. Though you’d never know it reading comments here bc worldnews only feigns outrage at Jews, not on land theft as a principal.
Meh, never mind, I’m already tired of debunking this silly propaganda virtua-nazi rant. You know your lies.
Your calling anyone else a liar is the height of irony. Israeli genocide apologists all seem to follow the same pattern: spread misleading, often factually incorrect talking points and call anyone with a view critical of Israel a Nazi and/or an anti-semite.
People are catching on and see through your bullshit. We see that nearly every accusation is a confession, as is often the case with fascists.
You’re projecting bruh.
Lol, is that the best you’ve got? It doesn’t even make sense.
What makes you think these guys have ever been abused?
You are being downvoted by people who think Israel = Jews.
Kind of a racist thought from them.
There is racism here, for sure. The downvoters are clear about their hatred.
Why in fuck would I give a shit about being downvoted. Is that really what you people are here for, to be “upvoted” all the time?? Is that really supposed to frighten me into a retraction of my statement? If I was not being downvoted, I WOULD retract my statement - the whole point is that it’s designed to scare people and get them to downvote and show that I’ve told the truth by doing so.
Either you’re responding to the wrong comment or we all know who your alt is now.
Makes no never mind to me either way.
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They’re not Hamas, that’s who intentionally targets children. And then also hides behind them after terrorist attacks so as to hopefully cause more civilian deaths so people can be manipulated into outrage at the wrong people.
Israeli propaganda is obvious propaganda.
Pro Hamas / terrorist adjectent… always a bad look.
look, unlike the IDF, we don’t support killing 6000 children
But really, you do by not seeking to hold Hamas accountable for all that they’ve caused. They’ll shoot rockets into Gaza hospitals as long as they rial up the antisemitism on world news. And I watched em take the bait. Same reason they’re maximizing civilian casualties by hiding in the densest urban theater of war we’ve seen.
You shouldn’t support them.
yes, Hamas should come out, and they with the IDF can have right good honorable pistol dules at noon
Looks like they took “never forget” a bit too far
Nazi subhuman trash (the IDF)
Don’t dehumanize people ever, please. War crimes need to be pointed out and punished, but neither nazi nor subhuman is a reasonable accusation.
Fucking CNN blocks firefox? wtf
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No issue for me, sounds like you’ve got some settings they don’t like, rather than explicitly blocking Firefox.
However I’ve had worse websites that just simply don’t work in Firefox at all. I mean, they do load, but there’s no ability to scroll, thus you cannot see the bulk of the content. An example: https://idno.vattenfall.co.uk/
Works fine for me. Firefox, Android, and within the EU.
worked for me, FireFox Ublock, ABP, and no-script
Works fine for me even with adblocking & tracker bloacking.
It opens fine for me on Android
Try replacing “edition” with “lite” in the URL
Dehumanising the enemy has always been a feature of war and long-driven conflicts like this. Soldiers everywhere are taught to believe the enemy are pests and lesser than them.
It’s pretty bad - glad they will be disciplined.
I doubt it. Stuff like this is coming out every few days right now. They either shit the bed on teaching their soldiers not to commit war crimes or they just don’t care. They literally bulldozed Palestinian houses in West Bank this last week and the week before that they lit up a group of journalists with no excuse to be misidentified.
Like how they disciplined the guy that murdered Shireen Abu Akleh? They’ll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing. There’s a reason the IDF trains US cops.
Well given how the Hamas would cheer them on if the situations were reversed its at least a differentiation and a step in the right direction.
they will get disciplined… with a cool medal, similar, but slightly different from the one given for murdering children in the west bank.
