• PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    Not to mention that whole well regulated militia part.

    A reasonable interpretation would at the very least take that to mean a requirement to be eligible for the national guard and to consistently pass training and inspection with each action class of weapon you want to buy.

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      10 months ago

      No it’s not, everything the founders wrote about was directly designed to keep people armed and under no situation shall they be disarmed. Go read some of their papers. This has been chewed a million times and the anti-2a crowd still thinks regulated is the same meaning today as it was back then.

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        10 months ago

        The founders were slave oligarchs, the tyranny they were keeping the citizens armed to defend against was Haiti.

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          10 months ago

          What the fuck are you talking about…do you just make shit up in your head? They wanted everyone armed because they just fought and defeated the world’s strongest military at the time…

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            10 months ago

            If that was genuinely the reason a significant faction of them wouldn’t have been arguing in favor of trade deals with them instead of France, the country that basically won the war for us at sea.

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      10 months ago

      The article says guns should be ownable because they’re necessary in a militia. The language never implies that guns should only be owned by militia members. The militia line is a justification not a requirement.

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        10 months ago

        You seemed to have missed the part where that’s the generous interpretation, the real interpretation is that since a militia is no longer necessary for the defense of our free state, civilian firearms ownership can just be banned entirely and that’s perfectly constitutional.

        Unless you want to argue that the strongest military in human history is insufficient defense of this free state.

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      10 months ago

      Hence the asterix on my paraphrasing of the Second Amendment. Ultimately, I think the founding fathers laid out general principles of society that we should adhere to, but that they expected us to care more about the intent of the Constitution than the actual exact words.

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        10 months ago

        The founding fathers were slave oligarchs, fuck their opinions on anything to do with our country today

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          10 months ago

          Throw out the whole constitution then. Human history is rife with suffering and hypocrisy. My ancestors chased people off this land at the point of a sword. Right now, we’re overlooking the horrible exploitation of other human beings in China, Africa, India and others, to make luxury goods. The lens of history should acknowledge the status quo at the time, but not excuse it, and celebrate those who worked to advance human rights and conditions before their time.

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              10 months ago

              Imagine condemning nearly everyone who has ever existed because they didn’t live up to modern society’s current understanding of humanity.

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                10 months ago

                Imagine being too scared to do that in spite of everyone they made suffer and everyone else who knew it was wrong even then, because you somehow want to make defending slave oligarchs your hill to die on.

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                  10 months ago

                  Then stop wearing your clothes, eating the food you buy and enjoying the place you live in…go live in the woods, because you’re a hypocrite.

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                    10 months ago

                    “We should improve society somewhat”

                    “Yet you participate in it! Curious! I am very smart!”