If we ever turn socialist, Europe needs to be balkanized in order to make sure the European powers could never again rise up to the power they previously held and continue terrorizing the world.

So, how would we balkanize Europe? What would make a region of lets just say: France suitable to become independent and weaken France as a whole. What regions should become independent?

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    If we ever turn socialist, Europe needs to be balkanized in order to make sure the European powers could never again rise up to the power they previously held and continue terrorizing the world.

    No need, the european century of domination is long over, there’s no financial, technological, industrial or militarily advantage Europe employs. The only reason why europe is even considered a developed inter-nation is the Statesians have poured their influence, money and military in order to safeguard and create a second bulwark, otherwise europe would’ve had a revolution long ago.

    The capitalist project is really the only leverage they have, once this is done away, europe’s sole infrastructure will collapse within themselves, already the European countries are beginning to break down without the input capitalism full collapse, it’s a deck of cards waiting to miserably fall.

    Balkanization would just complicates the liberation of workers within this inter-nation, especially considering we need a workers revolution to fully remove the strains of white supremacy which dominates this people’s mindset, and even then, europe will go through strife during the collapse of capitalism.

    The Russian Empire is excellent example of a country which was so leveraged to a certain people (that being russian, or eastern slavic), that once a revolution swept the country, russification, and the idea of the russian being the civilised people in the steppes, soon dissipated. Instead the Soviet Union promoted the worker’s culture, and the new Soviet man.

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    Imo Europe’s natural state is balkanization, they are all a bunch of small territories with different languages every a few thousand kilometers.

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    Regions with their own nations (including culture, language, and shared territory) should have the right to self-determination, which means they can become independent if they want to. For example, Catalonia, Galicia, and (southern) Basque Country could secede from Spain; Corisca, Normandy, and Brittany could secede from France; Sicily, Venice, Sardinia could secede from Italy; and Wales, Scotland, northern Ireland, and maybe the Isle of Man and Cornwall could secede from the UK. Geographic regions that don’t correspond to their own nation like northern England should not be independent.

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      Don’t forget the Occitan speaking region in southern France. The French nation building project was constructed on cultural and linguistic genocide of the Occitan people. The most natural grouping of this region is not with northern France but with Catalonia which shares the same heritage. There are also parts of south-western France that would join a Basque Country.

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      No not that extreme, splitting a country into 3000 macro-states would be unproductive again but giving bigger regions like Bavaria their own sovereign state would be a possibility

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        ik what balkanization is, i was just imagining this but everyone is socialist

        god that’s gonna be a lot of new countries

        i imagine an union/federation to sprawl from it soon if such a thing happens, to simplify diplomatic talks and shit

        because i imagine it to be an utter nightmare to deal with