Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona

Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona.

    • procrastitron@lemmy.world
      1271·
      1 year ago

      It only applies if he took an oath to uphold the constitution prior to committing the treason.

      I.E. government officials and ex military personnel who took place in the Jan 6 riots would be disqualified, but not every random yahoo that was there.

      EDIT: Others have pointed out that he is ex-military, so it looks like the 14th amendment does apply to him after all.

      • halferect@lemmy.world
        331·
        1 year ago

        Libertarians are even worse, they are like anarchist Republicans. Slamming two dumb political ideas into one really dumb political idea and acting like they are very smart about it.

        • Fester@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          1 year ago

          Republicans have to deal with being constantly proven wrong on everything, but Libertarians enjoy that their fantasy ideology will never be tested in the real world. That makes them feel immune to obvious criticisms, and therefore “very smart.”

          • halferect@lemmy.world
            111·
            1 year ago

            They did test it and it failed completely. A book was written about it. A libertarian walks into a bear. So you can point and laugh at libertarians any time you want

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
        32·
        1 year ago

        No. He’s ex-military, 14th amendment applies.

        No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same…

        He took an oath as a member of the military, he also took part in insurrection.

        From the court documents:

        The crimes charged in the indictment involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States Government. By Chansley’s own admissions to the FBI and news media, the insurrection is still in progress and he intends to continue participating.

        • TechyDad@lemmy.world
          7·
          1 year ago

          You and I might agree that it applies, but how much do you want to bet that some Trump appointed judges decide that it doesn’t apply and kill any effort to remove him from the ballot?

        • mateomaui@reddthat.comEnglish
          72·
          1 year ago

          Ya’ll keep saying these things like I don’t already know, but regardless of what the 14th amendment says, or his military background, ultimately that determination will be made by a court decision, because if nothing else he will sue the state if they choose to take him off the ballot. I didn’t make the rules, or the legal system.

    • uphillbothways@kbin.social
      81·
      1 year ago

      As much as I want to say no, to my knowledge he technically hadn’t “previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States” so I think he’d be eligible under Amendment 14, Section 3, article 1… quoted here in full:

      Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

      No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

      Though, he had previously been in the US Navy, and the Navy oath of enlistment begins "“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…,” he was not even an officer in the Navy let alone in a legislative, executive or judicial branch position.

      Pretty sure he would be eligible to run this time, whereas trump would not.

  • frezik@midwest.social
    20·
    1 year ago

    In 2016, the libertarian convention had a guy strip to his underwear on stage. At the convention debate, one of the candidates was boo’d for saying you shouldn’t be able to sell heroin to five year olds.

    The QAnon Shaman isn’t the craziest thing in the Libertarian Party. They are not serious people.

  • AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world
    72·
    1 year ago

    He’d best have a good security detail. If anything goes awry, a bunch of Leftists are going to be peacefully asking him pointed questions that might make him uncomfortable.

    If you’re assuaged to believe that winning means everything, I can’t speak for you. It assumes that you start and stay on the same side of any moral argument and you have to fight for it to the end regardless of if new evidence nullifies your opinion.

    That’s not how humans understand each-other. Humans garner nuance and discern things in new and meaningful ways over time and social interaction. We understand others - people that we can identify with in profound ways even if they don’t necessarily share our point of view.

    I would give him a moment of our time - maybe 30 seconds if he doesn’t state one of the over-used vitriolic statements on the Bingo cards that I will be handing out now.