This is completely stupid. If Hamas are hiding in hospitals then surely there’s a better fucking way to target them than trying to blow the whole fucking place up. One way would be to send a strike team, after all Israel and Mossad are “famous” for hunting terrorists down after the Munich bombing at the Olympics. Yet the same country can only now resort to cutting off infrastructure and bombing refugee camps, ambulances, schools and hospitals plus which is killing aid workers and drs.
I don’t know how strike teams work and such but I doubt it’s as easy as in Call of Duty.
OP’s a child who’s never dealt with violence, war or destroyed infrastructure.
My ex-FIL was a decorated Army vet (Iraq, 2x Bronze Stars), Mississippi National Guard. FFS, those men couldn’t get into their own cities after Hurricane Katrina, in peacetime. They cut fucking houses in half and pushed them aside to open the roads.
Send in a strike team?! To a civilian hospital in a war zone?! That’s a solid plan to get your men killed on the incursion, OR, get a bunch of civilians killed and THEN lose all your men.
Unless you happen to be your own uncle. You are just the pot calling the kettle black.
The IDF and the last month has killed more innocent civilians than Hamas has in years. Israel absolutely could be doing things differently if they wanted to save people and have peace. But they don’t want to have peace. Other than that piece of land. And I guarantee 100% before this is all over. It will be found that Israel itself killed many of their precious hostages with their own munitions in their indiscriminate bombing campaign. That’s just going to be a given. And also part of the reason why the Israel people are rightly calling out netanyahu and his cabinet of butchers.
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Also known as war criminals.
what the actual fuck. I’m gonna report you here, to insult every decorated veteran as a war criminal is wrong on so many levels.
Lol you’re getting downvoted for being right.
People serving in Iraq acting like they served in WWII. Mother fuckers killed and tortured civilians, destroyed towns and claimed “victory” against people who were defending their homelands.
We invaded and occupied a sovereign nation in the name of “WMDs” which we found none of and acting like we did god’s work over here. All they did was help create more animosity against Americans. Good fucking job.
You mean the government that committed multiple atrocities against their own people? The government which regularly tortured and executed prisoners of war? The government whose leader’s son was a psychopath who raped a different woman every day, and had a penchant for brides on their wedding night?
USA did the people of Iraq a favour by getting rid of Saddam and the Baath party, WMDs or not.
Oh? Is that right? I see a government (Israel) slaughtering 10k civilians right now. Where is that sense of moral duty? Why don’t we go in there and send a peace keeping force?
We did Iraqis a favor by slaughtering 30k of their civilians did we? How many did Saddam kill before us? Didn’t we take out OBL by not slaughtering people in Pakistan?
Foh.
Uhh, what?
Yeah, for starters your own people are going to get killed.
It would probably have fewer casualties on the enemy side however since some of them might actually live. However, Israel’s goal is not to allow Hamas members to survive.
That would only make sense if the goal wasn’t revenge and ethnic cleansing.
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This is not as easy as you think. You have to get your team to the target, through terrorists hiding among civilians, through IDE’s that are hidden along the way, through civilians that do not like you. And if you miraculously survive this march without heavy casualties the Hamas are already gone and hide somewhere else…not to forget the civilian casualties that would happen on the way…
jUst sEnd A sTriKe tEam lmao
Idiots thought modern warfare was a documentary
Rather just bomb the fucking place and move on.
Should’ve added an /s eh
Not if you look at it from Israel’s point of view. The bombing results in less casualites on their side and still hurts the Hamas. I know this sounds cruel and I strongly condemn the civilian casualites, but from a tactical perspective it absolute makes sense and Israel has not that many options, Hamas made it very clear that they will continue so they have to fight them.
I’m amazed people are so stupid they still haven’t realized if you kill one innocent guy you just created 3 freedom fighters.
So bombing hospitals is the right answer? Really Israel needs to just fucking ceasefire.
From a tactical perspective it is. A ceasefire would help the civilians but also would benefit the Hamas…it’s a double edged sword.
From a tactical perspective it’s a goddamn war crime. When should they stop, then? When no native Palestinian remains, so they can swoop in and take all of Gaza like they’ve been trying to do for the last 70 years? Hamas is a response to decades of ethnic cleansing and Israel is using it as an excuse to further their conquest
Edit: this isn’t necessarily directed at OP. It’s more of an open ended question for those in support of the bombings
From a tactical perspective it’s a goddamn war crime.
It’s also a war crime to use civilians as meat shields or to use hospitals or other cilvilian buildings as base of operations or storage for military equipment. Please don’t act as Hamas is giving real choices to Israel. They could either act or give the Hamas and other organisations an advantage and they all have their fair share of atrocities but I mostly see the war crime label on the actions of Israel in social media and I find this kind of strange.
Hamas is a response to decades of ethnic cleansing
Hamas is a bunch of rabid dogs that hate jews, just like all the other terrorist factions around them, who want to kill everyone that dont give a fuck about their great Allah. Of course Israel has their fair share in atrocities and is also fueling this conflict, but don’t fool yourself in thinking that those terrorist groups would stop after they got rid of Israel. Netanyahu and his political party need to go if we ever want peace in the middle east, but the same goes for Hamas and all the other religious dipshits.
And just to set this in perspective, the same is happening in Russia right now. There will be a whole generation with a furious hatred for the west and our lifestyle because of the propaganda and the lies of their leader. And I’m asking you, wouldn’t it be justified for the west to defend itself against that?
It’s more of an open ended question for those in support of the bombings
I really don’t think that someone is supporting the bombing of civilians or the amount of casualties. But Hamas or the other groups will continue. Israel gould go back to the borders of 1948 and there would be still missle attacks each day against them. From the perspective of these groups Israel has no right to exist and now please tell me how do you defend yourself against such primal agression? How do you avoid civilian casualites if the enemy is hiding among them? How do you save the life of your troops and keep your defense up in such a scenario? The cruel and sad answer to that is what we all witness every day.
And I do not support it, I really condemn it, but I also have no idea how it could be dealt with in any other way that would not benefit the Hamas in the end.
Where do you think these terrorist groups come from? Decades of people displacing, killing, and blockading their friends and family. The West has been invading and splitting up the Middle-East for like a hundred years. Continuing to do the same is just causing more jihad groups.
The solution, since you asked, is to not undermine the PLO by supporting Hamas like the right in Israel did. It’s to prop up and strengthen the PLO, legitimize them instead of running scared from negotiations every time Hamas does an attack (a third party that should be ignored, but since Israel has never been serious about negotiations since that one guy got assassinated it’s been a good excuse for them to stop them and then keep grabbing more land). Then they can work together against Hamas. Then you’re probably going to have to Marshall Plan the area. It’s racist to think their inherently more violent because they’re brown. It’s basically what people used to say about the Japanese during WW2. They’re in a giant prison right now which breeds that kind of behavior.
Basically they need a chance to have a better quality of life, and that will require what the world did for the Germany and Europe after the war, the same kind of investments we made in Japan or South Korea, or Israel lol. It will probably also require some Reconciliation committees like South Africa, possibly some land reform like in many formerly colonized countries, maybe reparations, etc.
You realise what it took to get Japan and Germany to the point where they could be rehabilitated? Both were completely dismantled as warfighting states, something which caused millions of civillian casualties.
War is grim as fuck but what other choice does Israel have?
As far as international law goes no this is not a war crime.
If your military takes refuge or uses a civilian center for military operation then that location becomes a valid military target regardless of the risk to civilian lives.
Basically Hamas is commiting the crime by purposefully setting up in these areas. Once they do that then any civilian death is acceptable collateral damage, legally speaking.
What about bombing humanitarian aide locations or using white phosphorus as a weapon?
Same thing applies to humanitarian aid.
If Hamas has hijacked or is operating in those places then they become military targets.
As far as white phosphorus, it depends on how it’s deployed. If it’s deployed for masking, tracing or identifying then it’s legal.
If it’s being directly used as an incendiary then that’s illegal.
Exactly! It surely can’t be harder to fight 30,000 embedded terrorists than 8 scattered terrorists in hiding.
I think Israel should give them supplies to continue operation until they can be evacuated. And also Israel should give them notice of evacuation weeks in advance so they can prepare. And Israel should be expected to provide alternate medical care.
This is a war, so you are basically talking about an urban assault involving thousands of IDF infantry kicking doors down house to house and shooting anyone who shoots at them.
The US did that in Fallujah, and it’s pretty gnarly. US had 500 casualties IIRC. The US also told all the residents to evacuate Fallujah before the operation went down.
America tried bombing a million innocent civilians from the comfort of their lazy ass Texas seat too. Remind me whether they won that war. Surely they didn’t leave a giant power vacuum and created many more resistance fighters.
Majority of deaths in iraq were during the civil war and the insurgency that followed, the 1 million figure that gets banded about with little evidence is in no way “civillians killed by NATO”.
The irony of hiding in a hospital when you literally cause war.
Doesn’t it make more sense to argue that the person dropping bombs just doesn’t want to admit they missed the target and fucked thousands of people because they’re shit at their job? If you were fighting an alien or hunting a foreign agent, and you screwed up and accidentally shot your own family down in flames, you’d probably be rather embarrassed, I sure would be too haha
But hey it’s alright nobody will judge even if they knew because the truth is that some jobs suck and just get glamorised on the news and in the media precisely because even the very few who make the cut can still be considered competent
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Why do you blame Israel for the actions of their enemies?
Everyone is blaming Israel for the actions of Israel. I honestly have no idea how you could get this from the comment.
If you feel like you need to defend Israel in this situation, maybe ask yourself why that is. Is it really so difficult to call this obvious war crime out? You can still support them overall but acknowledge their (many) failings. At this point just saying “but Hamas!” in response to every valid criticism looks absolutely pathetic.
At what point do you think Hamas should take responsibility for hiding behind civilian infrastructure, including digging tunnels under a freaking hospital?
Obviously they should take responsibility. Should Israel take responsibility for it’s crimes too?
So why blame Israel for something Hamas is doing? Why aren’t you ranting about them?
Answer the question
For most people, I think that the problem isn’t with Hamas being held responsible. The problem is that people bearing the brunt of Hamas’ and Israeli actions aren’t members of Hamas - they’remedical personnel and patients and civilians in general.
German people in WW2 weren’t all nazis. Some of those non-nazi germans were hurt, which was ultimately a tragic thing, but the responsibility for their deaths lies primarily with the nazis.
Edit It’s impressive that everyone’s able to agree with this thought but get very confused when “nazis” is replaced with “hamas” and “German people” with “Palestinian people”
Just like in this case when you’re an Israeli and you’re in government you have been given power. Power and authority is a gift, with strings attached. Your paystub and government funded car and badge is not a whore to be abused.
Yeah, because they’re being used as human shields.
Of course they are. Why else would you set up in a hospital? Doing so (turning hospital into a command post or using a marked ambulance to transport fighters or weapons) is against international law. If it is true that Hamas is doing that in these exact examples and not merely as a general practice), those buildings and vehicles are legal military targets. I was in the business and I’m familiar with all of the arguments and justifications.
What it comes down to, legally, is whether the response was proportional to the threat and whether every attempt was made to restrict damage to civilian infrastructure and persons. Just as a hypothetical example, using an F-16 to drop two bombs on a populated hospital because there’s a couple of snipers on the 6th floor would be a disproportionate response. Using a rocket propelled grenade against that window/room is more proportional, even if there were patients in the same room. Killing them with counter-sniper fire so as to save those patients but still eliminate the threat is the most proportional.
The other dimension, though, is the moral culpability (if you believe in free will) or at least the functional responsibility (if you do not) of designing and launching an operation in which massive amounts of civilian casualties and misery will be caused. I don’t see that enough.
I think it was Aquinas who laid out one of the early versions of just war theory. One of the main points is that the intended outcome must be proportional to the harms caused.
What people are questioning is whether a particular encounter or the operation in general were necessary and proportional.
I appreciate the well reasoned response. Whether this is an appropriate or balanced response from Israel, I don’t really know, but I’m tired of everyone demanding they be the bigger people, and completely ignoring the actions of Hamas.
seems meta around here…
Edit: tl;dr ITT I try and fail to convey that terrorists using innocent people as meat shields/hostages is wrong and a government bombing those terrorists along with their hostages is also wrong. I dunno how that’s too confusing for anyone to understand but I guess some folk truly are lost causes.
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Are you implying that Israel has not done any bombing whatsoever? Or are you implying that terrorists hiding behind innocent people means everyone involved must die by bombing? Or are you just a troll trying to get a reaction from people by posting an obviously ignorant comment?
Let me ask you this, if some bank robbers took your family and friends hostage, what do you think the response should be? By your own logic I must assume that they all need to die because criminals were using them as meat shields. By your logic, if your home is being robbed and the robber uses you as a shield, the response should be to mow you down along with the robber. How unlucky for you that the robber chose your house eh? How ignorant.
And if you’re struggling to put yourself in those shoes, good. Be glad that you’re so far removed from such dangers. But you are not immune. Criminals and potential terrorists exist everywhere, and I truly hope that if you ever find yourself in a hostage situation that the response isn’t what you idolize for innocent people in a foreign land. Because even unemphatic scum don’t deserve to die simply for being a hostage.
I’d like to assume that you simply forgot a “/s”, and I apologize if the sarcastic intent of your comment was lost, but there are people that truly believe what you’ve said.
We’re not dealing with bank robbers though, are we? We’re dealing with a government.
I really thought this was The Onion.
Same
Despite it being a good Reuters article, people aren’t even reading the second half of the damn title lol.
Edit: Who am I kidding? We know they are but they’re going to ignore it for a reason lol.
US Cops shout “stop resisting” as they beat their victims, then later ‘deplore’ that they ‘brought it on themselves’ “Hamas should stop resisting” oh the humanity
Hamas is not a victim in any sense of the word.
I’m absolutely against israel’s continued operations in Gaza and even I’m not trying to paint Hamas as the innocent victims here. The fact is, the people of Gaza have been victimized by Hamas first, then the IDF.
Another fact is that only IDF is trying to fix the situation. And third one is that the biggest reason the left is defending Hamas is historical: because PLO was leftist, modern leftists must defend the current incarnation of it.
I wish the left grew some actual values, they seemed to lost them all in 1990. Doesn’t matter if they’re something I disagree with. Just have something instead of mindlessly repeating what you did back when Communism was still a thing.
You have no idea what the left is. Your image of the left is a caricature created to make you feel morally superior. No one gives any sort of shit about the PLO at all, they’ve been irrelevant the whole time we’ve been alive. No one is defending Hamas for any reason at all let alone because they’re some sort of inheritor of a leftist organization that, again, ceased existing before many of us started.
The left, the real left that exists outside your fever dreams, is talking about all the people who aren’t Hamas, aren’t PLO, but are still being forced from their homes at gunpoint. The Real Left That Exists is wondering why an ancestral claim to the land is valid for Israelis, but only for Israelis. The Real Left That Exists is talking about the Real Dead Babies That Exist, the thousands of children that have been killed by indiscriminate bombing and dozens of open war crimes. If you’re going to take sides against us, put your straw man away and take sides against us, you coward. Argue against what we’re saying. Tell that 8 year old Palestinian in Gaza that if he didn’t want his whole family to be killed he shouldn’t have voted for Hamas 9 years before he was born. Tell the Palestinians in the West Bank, where Hamas never gained a foothold, that if they didn’t want to live under martial law that they should have somehow stopped Gazans from voting for Hamas 17 years ago.
No one is defending Hamas for any reason at all
Their terrorist attack from about a month ago has been publically admired by many lefties and academics in the west. Or perhaps these people are not the “real left” that you’re referring to?
There are extremists on both sides. Would you like to stick to relevant voices or are you ready to defend members of the Israeli government that call all Palestinians animals and are flat out calling for a genocide?
2 million people, half of which are kids, being brought up with missile strikes, blockades, and slow starvation are definitely victims compared to the professional liars that are the IDF
TIL Hamas has 2 million members.
Well according to Israeli media, which lists every single dead civilian as a “dead terrorist”, that’s exactly the logic being applied by the Israelis in power.
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Are you implying that there are 9 year olds who are members of a terrorist organization? I wouldn’t go that far when describing how utterly evil they are.
Oh Israel has done a bang-up job on Hamas PR, I bet they are getting tons of donations now and secret help. When you blow up kids and doctors and nurses, people will befriend the enemy of my enemy situation.
Does anyone have any evidence that this was actually taking place? It seems like the most moronic and easy excuse to get away with war crimes. Hey did you just blow up that school?? Yes…but umm…Hamas was there! No wait… it was their rocket that did it…yeah wasn’t us it was them!
Why does everyone think Israel a notorious nation for spying and being shitty is 100% honest in their findings?
The US has confirmed it and presumably the EU
Both were skeptical of Israel’s video showing rockets being fired from the hospital due to their track record
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5 AKs is absolutely not enough reason to shell a hospital. That’s fucking ridiculous.
Have you perused yet? You really should. And I’m glad you are putting arbitrary limits on what is good and bad. Nice!
here’s a non-arbitrary limit: don’t bomb fucking hospitals.
But there has to be a limit, I’m not saying Israel is right but if I write the word hospital on a tank and drive it into battle then that hospital is going to get bombed, it’s possible that they’ll wait until I’ve fired a shot if I’m fighting an especially restrained army.
So since there obviously is a line so we need to think about where it is in a realistic and sensible sense.
“don’t bomb hospitals.” -OK, champ, then what should they do? “Send in the special forces.” -That will lead to more casualties on the Israeli side. “Send in the specialer forces.” -Thanks for playing ‘As the Derps Comment’. In the next episode, we’ll get another brilliant take from another top mind on the internet.
Oh no, not casualties! In a war?!? Whatever will we do!
War crimes of expediency are still war crimes. Just ask the Nazis we hung at Nuremberg for their occupation tactics.
Arbitrary? Are you insane?
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“Israelshows alleged Hamas ‘armory’”
Again this is just CNN doing CNN things, they are going to parrot whatever they are told is the official US narrative, just like Fox would do with Trump or whatever GOP people want. I was still horrified the US and MSM went with the Israeli narrative before the investigation was over, that smelled of cronyism and covering up, pretty bad day for the Biden WH.
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Here’s a Times of Israel article with a video in it that claims to show the tunnels under the Rantisi hospital: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hamas-operated-command-center-likely-held-hostages-under-gaza-kids-hospital/
There’s assorted cuts and stuff can obviously be staged, but…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BRUSSELS, Nov 12 (Reuters) - The European Union on Sunday condemned Hamas for using “hospitals and civilians as human shields” in Gaza, while also urging Israel to show “maximum restraint” to protect civilians.
Hospitals in the north of the Palestinian enclave are blockaded by Israeli forces and barely able to care for those inside, according to medical staff.
“The EU condemns the use of hospitals and civilians as human shields by Hamas,” European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement issued on behalf of the 27-nation bloc.
At the same time, he urged Israel to exercise maximum restraint, stressing the obligation under international humanitarian law to protect hospitals, medical supplies and civilians inside hospitals.
“These hostilities are severely impacting hospitals and taking a horrific toll on civilians and medical staff,” Borrell warned.
“In this context, we urge Israel to exercise maximum restraint to ensure the protection of civilians.”
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Finally! Not that this matters.
restraint in what?
"Kill 20% less civilians please’ . What fuckin dumb rhetoric is this. It’s like we live the end of times and words have lost meaning
What kind of restraint can israel have? if hamas was 1% of the population, after all these atrocities it will be 99% of the population. Imagine someone killing your children and then you re supposed to go on living your life because “well shit happened”.
Israel has an incentive to exterminate a very large part of the population, especially the young male population before this is over to weaken the next hamas. If they have another plan for post-war life, it’s not clear how they imagine life with palestinians near or far.
Restraint as in don’t blow up the hospital just because the terrorists are hiding in it
What an incredibly shit and inhumane take
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Don’t care, dont fucking bomb hospitals you soulless ghouls
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Why are we believing Israel at its word when it’s proven they’re habitual, professional liars who all but admitted their own role in orchestrating the majority of the civilian deaths on 7th October?
I’m 100% certain this claim will be debunked in a week when someone proves they’ve just decorated an ICU ward with Hamas flags or some shit. I’ll remember all the bloodthirsty pricks who woke up excited at the prospect of denying civilians the right to life and freedom over something they know in their hearts is probably a falsehood.
So hamas is basically keeping these people hostage in there, and I don’t see you blaming them…
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As usual, Hamas is to blame for everything and Israel is to blame for nothing.
Regardless of who has killed more children.
Maybe read the article before complaining
At the same time, he urged Israel to exercise maximum restraint, stressing the obligation under international humanitarian law to protect hospitals, medical supplies and civilians inside hospitals.
“These hostilities are severely impacting hospitals and taking a horrific toll on civilians and medical staff,” Borrell warned.
“Hospitals must … be supplied immediately with the most urgent medical supplies, and patients that require urgent medical care need to be evacuated safely,” he added. “In this context, we urge Israel to exercise maximum restraint to ensure the protection of civilians.”
At what point did he condemn Israel?
He said they were in violation of international law by attacking hospitals. That’s what the first sentence means. But I assume you expected something like “Israel is murdering civilians for fun and should be exterminated”?
He said they were in violation of international law by attacking hospitals.
Which is probably a wrong interpretation of international law. Since hospitals are used for military operations, their protected status vanishes.
This isn’t Halo or Call of Duty. This isn’t “red team” vs “blue team”. This isn’t a game. There is no score to be tracked and no victory or loss for who can kill more children. The only people that are “losing” in this conflict are the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
The fact that you’re implying that it’s okay for Israel or Hamas to keep killing as long as they’re not on top of some sort of “child-killing leaderboard” is absolutely sickening. I’m literally sick to my stomach even thinking about that. I could not possibly care less who killed who’s child first, killing children is wrong. Killing innocent children in retaliation to killing innocent children is wrong. There’s no “score” to settle when that “score” involves the injury or death of innocent people. Both sides fucking suck for killing innocent people.
Furthermore, I’ll reiterate my point that both sides fucking suck for killing innocent people. That is the only absolute that belongs in this conversation. Neither side is innocent in regards to deaths of innocent people, and neither side is fully to blame for the deaths of innocent people. Hamas is at fault for using innocent people as meat shields and Israel is at fault for firing anyway. Whether Hamas struck first some weeks ago or not, regardless of which “side” started this however many years ago, both Israel and Hamas are culpable for deaths of innocent people. Full stop. No scores, no “winners”, and the only “loss” is loss of life.
I never implied it was okay for either side to kill civilians.
You’re making up arguments that are easier to argue against.
Hamas and the Gaza Health ministry have invited the international community to check this themselves and have apparently provided tours and proof from long ago that that AlShifa hospital has nothing underneath it. The company constructing the Indonesian hospital also denied that any tunnels were underneath and debunked the video of Osrael claiming there is a tunnel entrance there. The EU should check first. There isn’t much evidence for tunnels under hospitals and almost all Israel “evidence” provided is such low quality. Not sure how “smart” they are when any 14 year old with a shred of knowledge on using audio editors would be able to tell that the phone call was patched up together from two unrelated ones.
What phone call are you talking about? There was a call relating to the explosion at al Ahli hospital where some people claimed the audio was edited but the only reasoning they had was that one speaker was in one channel and the other speaker in the other channel. That is exactly what you would expect from a wiretap though - the signal for the two speakers is not present in the same wire at the same time, so it needs to be assembled from two separate data sources.
what you would expect from a wiretap though
Source? I don’t really know how wiretaps work.
That audio call has been criticized for all sorts of problems. The dialect, the audio put together, the vagueness of the discussion, the fact that the two people sound like two neighbours chatting and not two vetted resistance fighters, etc.
Another example is Israel’s most recent claim that the hospital (Al Shifa this time) refused to receive fuel. The phone call is only a few seconds long, the word “fuel” is never mentioned in it, and as an Arabic speaker, I recognized immediately that they were arguing about the “amount” and not the fuel itself. Yet the IDF have published this as “evidence” that the hospital is refusing the fuel delivery, allowing more babies to die. I think it’s quite laughable. Turned out later that the IDF promised 2k liters, then decided to send only 300 liters, which would have powered the hospital for half an hour… totally ignoring that the main issue is that people are being sniped inside the hospital itself, and the yard is filling up with dead and decomposing bodies, some shot for simply stepping foot outside.
I’ve considered writing about this at more length. I think the Israeli propaganda machine has the quality you would expect from a hobbyist, yet with high aspirations.
isn’t israel simultaneously bragging about killing tens of thousands of Gazans and a few dozen Hamas agents?
Where?
If another country invades your country, certain parts of your own country are off limits to you i guess.
Yes… that’s literally what “war crimes” are, and Hamas and Israel are speed running to see who can commit more:
Which war law is being broken?
Article 51(7) of Protocol I:
The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
That one.
So obviously the answer is kill the civvies
Israel, to their credit, are taking steps to avoid civilian casualties, including leaflet drops, phone calls, and the infamous “roof knocking”.
Looking at the numbers they are doing great. For years even, championing, killing and injuring 20+ times more.
Being militarily more powerful does not imply that they don’t want to avoid civilian casualties. Fighting an enemy who primarily employ terrorist tactics causes a large amount of civilian casualties, and Gaza being one of the most densely populated areas in the world makes it even worse.
If we consider some sort of an upper limit how many civilians you theoretically could kill, there’s nazis. They killed 1,5 million jews in 100 days. And that’s only jews. Now, you don’t have to be redoing the holocaust in order to qualify for an atrocity of course, but Israel is definetely not trying to kill as many civilians as they can. This would look very different if they were.
I get a 404 error.
Using human shields is a war crime, holding civilians hostage is a war crime, perfidy is a war crime, using recognized medical organization’s infrastructure is a war crime (transporting military assets in an ambulance from Red Cross/Red Crescent is a major no no). On Israel’s side, targeting journalists is a war crime, and targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime, civilian mass punishment is a war crime.
If they had any sense they’d go for a one state solution with negotiation on how to create one set of laws for all and fix the shit they just blew up rather than keep bombing but hey man, people prefer to keep fighting just to save face
