To help contribute, here’s the only meme I’ve ever done, which I did in response to news that Abrams was working on a new ST movie. And after seeing how well the franchise is going with SNW and LD, I feel it’s even more appropriate.
It was so insulting for him to come out and say he isn’t a fan of the source material. Was it too much to ask to find someone who’s passionate about Star Trek? I know they’re out there.
Exactly! If he was not a fan of any of the 60 years of source material perhaps he should’ve stepped aside and let someone who cares about Star Trek contribute to it
Imo, instead of asking why he didn’t step aside, I think the fault is on the studio executives for wanting to go in that direction in the first place. They clearly wanted a different direction to classic Trek, otherwise JJ wouldn’t have been their choice.
the guy who directed rogue one and the andor tv series isnt much of a fan of star wars, and those are two of the most acclaimed star wars projects since disney bought star wars
Although I do really like both of those and would probably put them at the top of the current generation of SW, they feel much less like SW properties and a lot more like they’re wearing a SW skin. Which, you know, is fine since it’s actually good and doesn’t destroy the property. Even if you don’t like Andor, they’re still making a ton of just regular Star Wars shit.
JJ basically derailed Trek for those of us that actually like the type of thing Trek was doing for nearly a decade. Basically took until SNW to get an actual Trek show.
Star Wars is samurai movies with a skin on it. The whole thing is borrowed, in space. So it’s okay to have stories like Andor, Rogue One and Mando, etc because they mesh well with the general design of the universe.
Lower Decks is as far as Star Trek as it can be, and yet it fits very well in the universe. Because it respects itself and respect the source material.
JJ never respected the source material and the universe.
Pretty much. SW is a very “hero’s journey” story. Somewhere else in this thread, I posted this:
And although I would say that Andor is proof you can do cool things with a Star Wars background, at its heart SW is a conceptually fairly simple. Young person with the help of wise wizard and plucky band must master his powers to face down the evil tyrant. Now, is that the OG trilogy? Prequels? Sequels? LoTR? The Matrix?
That, but in a space samurai/western backdrop. Andor not only respects the canon, it explores it. Sure, it’s not telling a hero’s journey tale, but it’s grabbing a piece of existing canon and enhancing it if anything.
This is where JJ I think fucked up with the Trek canon.
It is, or at least was, a strangely popular thing n Hollywood for people working on franchises to claim they knew nothing about them. A kind of “too cool for all this” vanity they were trying to project.
So he isn’t a fan of Star Trek? Or is he talking about the post Discovery stuff?
He said this back around the time he was making (or marketing) the movies, so it had to have been in the late 00s.
It will be interesting to see how bad they botch Three Body Problems US adaptation.
The level of lens flair you have provided is insufficient to meet my needs. Moar.
I love me some JJ Abrams hate. The man deserves it all and sooo much more.
“Star Trek was too philosophical. So I fixed it.” -JJ Abrams
I’ve hated him since Lost. Possibly even Alias. Stupid mystery box bullcrap, Yeah, some unresolved mystery is fine. Your entire show shouldn’t revolve around boatloads of them being insufficiently explained.
Oh no, that was him ruining Lost?? I had no idea but it’s very fitting…
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I think if he had done ALL 3 sequel trilogy movies for starwars, it woukd have turned out much better.
JJ Abrams can only begin narratives. He has no idea how to solve any of his own mystery boxes.
Look at anything he’s ever done and you will probably not find a satisfying conclusion.
He can start a narrative better than most creators, he just has no idea what do to with it once it’s running.
Who knew throwing away your plans twice in a trilogy would backfire?
Everybody except Hollywood executives
Well, you can blame the insanely critical fans for that.
The best one is the one he didn’t direct
I say give Zach Synder a wack at it.
That could be amazing!
Needs more sepia tone and Martha.
I do need to see Picard snap Q’s neck in cold blood.
Also it could be fun seeing Riker spend a whole film trying to kill Picard for no adequately explored reason.
Troi would be the saving grace of the film and end up with a separate stand-alone series of films that completely ignore all existing Trek canon.
The rest of the cast would also get solo movies, but ones forgotten either months after, or at worst, months before, their release dates.
I always wondered if there are different versions of individual Q in other universes or if there’s just one of each that exist in all of them simultaneously.
I wouldn’t mind letting James Wan have a crack at a Star Trek film though. He made decent work of Aquaman and Malignant is basically already a Star Trek TNG type of plot.
The films really weren’t that bad
They were very typical “J.J. Abram’s has no idea what a franchise is actually about”. He actually admitted not having seen any extra materials about the franchise before making the movies, and rehashed existing storylines because it’s safe.
JJ Abrams is loved by the studios for the very same reasons he’s dreaded by the fans.
Yep. I liked them. Movie Trek has always been action anyways. He did some shit I really enjoyed honestly. Like Kirk being a rocker totally fucking fits.
Movie Trek has always been action anyways.
Yes, absolutely.
Except for Star Trek IV and at least half of Star Trek V.
I hope you are talking about star trek.
What’s star trek?
(Just kidding)
The validity of your comment really depends on which movie franchise you’re referencing
Beyond was actually kind of dope, IMO.
Eh I liked Star Trek 2009 and Force Awakens. I can get into how I dislike into darkness and episode 9 but not worth it.
Abrams’ “additions” to the Star Wars setting drove me back to learning about what the Old Republic era was all about; I’m so sorry y’all had to deal with him too.
I also don’t want Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy anywhere near Star Wars or Star Trek. Add them to the list as well.
I’d be happy if Rian Johnson got another chance with Star Wars. Brick, Brothers Bloom, Looper, and Knives Out were all great and at least personally The Last Jedi felt like it was trying to set up things to pay off in the next movie since he was originally slated to write and direct Episode 8 and 9.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but I certainly don’t share it. I literally hate every single thing about it. It is the most disappointed I have ever been leaving a movie.
I left it absolutely invigorated and optimistic for the franchise. I saw it had some flaws, with one sizeable one being that it should have ignored the cliffhanger in TFA and caught up 6-12 months later*; the OT (and less successfully, the PT) got to handwave a LOT of character development by simply letting life happen offscreen. Still, TLJ took a needlessly derivative setup from TFA and set the stage for a much more interesting Episode Nine than we got, and I utterly disagree that he didn’t get or like Star Wars. Shit, Rian Johnson is the only one who was willing to SAY the words “Darth Sidious.”
I thought he gave a thoughtful fan’s perspective on what Star Wars needs to be to remain relevant, the theme of growing from failure being particularly well done for a big popcorn franchise. The scene with Rose’s sister, the Yoda scene, the acting from Adam Driver after the throne room scene? All peak Star Wars IMHO. Then of course TROS came along and was so clumsy and petty in how it blew up Rian Johnson’s new directions, and so generally messy, that it didn’t even please the people who hated TLJ.
TFA was useful as a palate cleanser for the generation who rejected the PT, and it gave us a compelling new batch of heroes and villains (Snoke honestly being the least interesting as a character), but it didn’t really DO much, and its worldbuilding was absolutely retrograde. TLJ was a needed course correction, but Disney not only recoiled from the backlash, but took all the wrong lessons from it even if it did need to affect the direction of Ep9. JJ was, in the end, very wrong for Star Wars, though if TFA was his only one, it might not have been so obvious.
*-Two others being the framing device of the “slow speed chase” and Finn’s arc being such a minor step forward . A few tweaks to the technobabble or moving them to Crait earlier and having it be a bit more of a formidable facility could have helped the first one, and having Finn more explicitly trying to save Rey and Poe at the cost of the Resistance might have better highlighted the additional layer of growth RJ was thought he still needed.
We’re not going to include JJ’s most ‘successful’ protégée, are we? *cough
Abram’s doesn’t even LIKE Star Trek. So for him to get the job directing it is just mind boggling.
I just started watching Discovery after enjoying all three movies back then. For now it doesn’t seem much better…
I watched an hour long essay with only support in the comment section that was a love letter to the J.J. Abrams Star Trek film. The film has 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. A lot of people didn’t mind the J.J. film.
