You’re proposing a false dichotomy: Humanity has the potential to be caring for each other or to be fucked up and only look out for themselves. It depends on what behavior is fostered in society to see if people in that society are (on average) “fucked up” or not .
I believe that fostering hierarchies of command and control teaches people to be fucked up. That being in a position of power over others fucks yowr brain up to think that you are above them and abuse that power. That is why I dislike hierarchies and by extension: the police.
That is why I believe we should build societies that should question and/or refuse these hierarchies, whenever they appear.
Hobbes believed that people are fucked up “deep down” and therefore, we need a hierarchical state to keep us in line. I think that he got it the wrong way round: That power corrupts us and makes us fucked up.
And I’m sure you know that feeling. That you had some teacher or boss in the past who treated you unfairly, because hey know they would get away with it, because they had a higher rank than you. It’s quite a universal experience.
Well, I am so happy that police exists because I know I’d be fucked up without it. There is not a single society without police that doesn’t oppress it’s children and women. I know that a lot of people believe in a natural order and in that order I am below them. The only thing that is stopping them from enforcing their believes is that the country I live in decided that it is wrong to treat people that way and to enforce this believe they have laws and police.
I would rather not live in a world where I have to creep up my neighbour’s butts in the hopes of them protecting me. I don’t want to have to fit in to be free and I don’t want to be scared of my neighbours all the time.
Anarchists just seem like a bunch of spoiled privileged people to me who’s only concern is that someone doesn’t allow them to consume drugs or whatever. I just wish they’d try living in a place without these structures in place for a while they privilege off but don’t acknowledge.
There is not a single society without police that doesn’t oppress it’s children and women.
That’s simply not true. Counterexamples:
The CNT/FAI in 1930s Cathalonia
Anarchist Ukraine after the1918 revolution
The Zapatistas
Many pre-colonial native American tribes, e.g. The Wendat
Pretty much any immediate-return hunter gatherer people, e.g. the Hadza or the Pygmy
The only thing that is stopping them from enforcing their believes is that the country I live in decided that it is wrong to treat people that way and to enforce this believe they have laws and police.
So, if a country can “decide” this, why can’t a community “decide” it? We both know that there are bucket loads of precedents of countries oppressing minorities both in the past and now. So obviously, a state doesn’t guarantee that people aren’t oppressed. I’d even claim that most countries still oppress their children (to raise them as “productive” workers).
I don’t want to have to fit in to be free
You have to do so today. If you don’t notice that, that’s because you fit in.
and I don’t want to be scared of my neighbours all the time.
Ever heard of racism in the police? And you claim that I don’t acknowledge my privileges.
Anarchists just seem like a bunch of spoiled privileged people to me who’s only concern is that someone doesn’t allow them to consume drugs or whatever. I just wish they’d try living in a place without these structures in place for a while they privilege off but don’t acknowledge.
Anarchists are acutely aware of the injustices that don’t harm them directly. One rallying cry is “no one is free until we all are free” after all.
Each of your examples I looked up and there is either not eboug information about them to make these judgements or there is vague information that refutes your claims.
For example:
CNT/FAI had and used prisons.
In anarchist Ukraine you had the so called Black Guards which acted similar to police and they had groups like Black Banner and general tried to overpower each other all the time.
In the region reigned by Zapatistas the Mexican Army and National Guard’s handle crime with Zapatistas even claiming they don’t do enough and should do more against the violent crime there.
Wendat have hierarchical structures with a Grand Chief and a Chief of each family.
So, if a country can “decide” this, why can’t a community “decide” it?
I don’t say they can’t. I say they can’t do it without some form of police who enforces the rules they decided on in some way.
Ever heard of racism in the police? And you claim that I don’t acknowledge my privileges.
What makes you believe a smaller group of people is less racist? I’d say it’s the other way around.
You have to do so today. If you don’t notice that, that’s because you fit in.
I very much do not fit in. And everytime someone helped me in the past it was police or some other state infrastructure. Definitely not my neighbours who would probably just cast me out as a burden.
Cute, you know and admitted your examples are dogshit but don’t retract them and get they to sit on a high horse. Hilarious. You are why people don’t tend to respect anyone who even vaguely mentions anarchism.
You’re proposing a false dichotomy: Humanity has the potential to be caring for each other or to be fucked up and only look out for themselves. It depends on what behavior is fostered in society to see if people in that society are (on average) “fucked up” or not .
I believe that fostering hierarchies of command and control teaches people to be fucked up. That being in a position of power over others fucks yowr brain up to think that you are above them and abuse that power. That is why I dislike hierarchies and by extension: the police.
That is why I believe we should build societies that should question and/or refuse these hierarchies, whenever they appear.
Hobbes believed that people are fucked up “deep down” and therefore, we need a hierarchical state to keep us in line. I think that he got it the wrong way round: That power corrupts us and makes us fucked up.
And I’m sure you know that feeling. That you had some teacher or boss in the past who treated you unfairly, because hey know they would get away with it, because they had a higher rank than you. It’s quite a universal experience.
Well, I am so happy that police exists because I know I’d be fucked up without it. There is not a single society without police that doesn’t oppress it’s children and women. I know that a lot of people believe in a natural order and in that order I am below them. The only thing that is stopping them from enforcing their believes is that the country I live in decided that it is wrong to treat people that way and to enforce this believe they have laws and police.
I would rather not live in a world where I have to creep up my neighbour’s butts in the hopes of them protecting me. I don’t want to have to fit in to be free and I don’t want to be scared of my neighbours all the time.
Anarchists just seem like a bunch of spoiled privileged people to me who’s only concern is that someone doesn’t allow them to consume drugs or whatever. I just wish they’d try living in a place without these structures in place for a while they privilege off but don’t acknowledge.
That’s simply not true. Counterexamples:
So, if a country can “decide” this, why can’t a community “decide” it? We both know that there are bucket loads of precedents of countries oppressing minorities both in the past and now. So obviously, a state doesn’t guarantee that people aren’t oppressed. I’d even claim that most countries still oppress their children (to raise them as “productive” workers).
You have to do so today. If you don’t notice that, that’s because you fit in.
Ever heard of racism in the police? And you claim that I don’t acknowledge my privileges.
Anarchists are acutely aware of the injustices that don’t harm them directly. One rallying cry is “no one is free until we all are free” after all.
Each of your examples I looked up and there is either not eboug information about them to make these judgements or there is vague information that refutes your claims.
For example:
CNT/FAI had and used prisons.
In anarchist Ukraine you had the so called Black Guards which acted similar to police and they had groups like Black Banner and general tried to overpower each other all the time.
In the region reigned by Zapatistas the Mexican Army and National Guard’s handle crime with Zapatistas even claiming they don’t do enough and should do more against the violent crime there.
Wendat have hierarchical structures with a Grand Chief and a Chief of each family.
I don’t say they can’t. I say they can’t do it without some form of police who enforces the rules they decided on in some way.
What makes you believe a smaller group of people is less racist? I’d say it’s the other way around.
I very much do not fit in. And everytime someone helped me in the past it was police or some other state infrastructure. Definitely not my neighbours who would probably just cast me out as a burden.
You used the same explanation I already disproved, you’re objectively a troll.
Look at the timestamps, Sherlok. You didn’t disprove shit.
“Objective/y”, lol.
Edit: You kind of missed when you “disproved” me how these societies had police or supressed women/children.
Cute, you know and admitted your examples are dogshit but don’t retract them and get they to sit on a high horse. Hilarious. You are why people don’t tend to respect anyone who even vaguely mentions anarchism.
Sure, buddy.
So how do/did these societies oppress women and children?
Are you sure you want to battle 4 front with two people and 3 alts? You’re not doing so well so far boss.
Lol, do you think I have but 3 alts? I wrote every single comment on this post!
Seriously: Do you still think that I use 3 different accounts just to argue with you? Cute.