So, the play here is to get everyone who agreed to the app to file a binding arbitration suit against McDonalds for wedging a binding arbitration clause into the app.
They have to respond to it and it will cost them a lot of lawyer time and money.
Omg I dream for a day of class actions bringing down companies and I’m not in law I promise
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Hey I don’t know what that means but I took it personally XD
Lol my train of thought was: I swear I’m not in law -> something_complex -> law is complex -> 🤔
No I swear, I’m in business, maybe I’m taking them down from the inside. Maybe I just wana find ways to thrive without being such a corporate greed fuck. Either way I do Wana see companies who keep fucking everyone over take responsibility, but I guess we all do
Ain’t no way something like that could actually hold up in court. But I guarantee McDonald’s lawyers could fucking use it to delay shit and just hold up people for way longer than people want to invest time into.
“It’s a simple, but powerful, spell”.
Could never hold up in court… If you pay for a decent lawyer
You’d be surprised
App = Shitty web view with telemetry and push notif that brings nothing of value compared to a normal website
Hate to say it but if you go frequently you can save a lot of money with the app deals. Speaking as a former fat ass.
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Hello current fat ass. It’s also worth remembering you add in the cost of the app selling your data. And a trick: if you want to use multiple coupons or redeem points and also use a coupon (can’t do both), make multiple orders for each.
Yeah, I can’t get two hash brown rewards in the same order but if I want to split it up and waste an extra bag and napkins I can. Doesn’t matter to me Ronald.
And then people blame you for not recycling your extra napkin instead of blaming the corporation that made it like that in the first place.
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with less phone storage, and no browser extensions
Ain’t no way that shit is legal, right?
In the United States, multi-national corporations have try really hard to be on the receiving end of consequences.
Like maybe kill more children than the Joker via contaminated food. And then, still, it’ll be a meager fine.
It’s legal to put it in the terms, but it doesn’t mean anything since it isn’t enforceable. It’s to scare people away from filling.
I saw a South Park episode about it once. And it told me yes…
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If something in a contract is in violation of federal law, then that section of the contract is null and void.
It’s a big reason why my boss is free to have me sign a contract saying that he is allowed to execute me if I don’t clean the floor well enough to his liking, but if he actually tries it he’s not only doing some time, but this contract means that he is absolutely the primary suspect.
Exactly! In-alienable rights
I wanne see them try that in Germany so they get fucked even harder than if they normally had a lawsuit on their ass
surely not even an American judge would uphold that, right? Surely
Actually this is one of the instances where America law proves that Justice is at least somewhat of a concept, I mean holy shit we’re not Japan. No seriously look at how they do Court over in the Land of the Rising Sun.
Japan has a 99.9% conviction rate, how many of you people knew that the Phoenix Wright series was actually intended as a scathing critique of the legal system of the country it was made in?
If something in a contract is in violation of state or federal law, then that provision of the contract is null and void.
There have been many instances of companies saying that you don’t have any rights because you sign them away in the licensing agreement, only for a judge to turn around and call bullshit. The preceddnt is basically cemented in stone at this point.
Let’s recall that the SCOTUS overturned a major precedent not so long ago. Precedent is not rock solid anymore.
There’s a difference between 1 or 2 cases of precedent and hundreds or thousands of cases.
Holy shit America did something right? I can’t believe it.
A friend of mine once said, that some things are too good to be true, but fortunately there are also some things that are too bad to be true.
I agree with everything here, but I wouldn’t use conviction rate as a good metric. The US has a fairly disgusting conviction rate itself (especially federally) linked in with that whole “plea guilty to 6-60 months (judge’s prerogative) or face 40 years to get a trial, but we don’t call that duress”.
I’ve only once seen a guilty plea where the defendant is asked under oath if they actually agree there’s enough evidence to convict them, and that was a high-profile person getting a slap on the wrist for basically treason.
Still it’s… horrifying learning that the more ridiculous shit in Phoenix Wright (Like Phoenix having to get someone else declared Guilty to prove his client’s innocence, when in real life you just have to create reasonable doubt that your client did it) is… actually based on how Japan’s legal system works.
I mean fuck, if the law has that iron of a fist, it gives me newfound respect for the round balls on the Yakuza.
Out of curiosity, who?
99% sure it was Sydney Powell. If I’m remembering wrong, then it was Jenna Ellis. Coulda been both. In Ms. Ellis’ guilty plea (I skimmed the video of it) she was bombarded with 5 minutes of confirming questions and I don’t have time to listen to all of them. This recently came up on… I think it was Legal Eagle’s analysis of all these guilty pleas, and if you haven’t checked him out and are interested, you might want to (he’s on Youtube)
Why do companies continue to add these clauses then? Just as a deterrent?
Easy, just read the following exchange
“Sir that’s against the law!”
“Just do it! If someone tries to sue let legal worry about it!”
How are they even going to prove a specific person agreed to these terms or even used their app?
Using the app forces you to log in (via email or similar). And that can be backtracked to you if you’re not careful!
The last time I checked, they didn’t even require clicking any confirmation email. Every time I visit a McDonald’s I reinstall their app and just create a new bullshit account with a temporary email which I don’t even need to check. For all they know, you might have created an account with my email and agreed to the terms (just an example). It’s unenforceable on so many levels I’m dumbfounded.
I just pay for the fries
I just don’t go to McDonald’s.
Are you gonna do a perjury and say it wasn’t you that made the account? As much as I tell myself “oops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I accidentally clicked a button without reading what it said,” I’m not ready to keep that up with a lawyer going through my account history and showing that I ordered a baconator and a whopper on July 19th 2021, and they happen to have video of me inside the store picking up that exact order that I paid for with my credit card
But not everyone does that. I would as well… if I visited there. Which I don’t. Because I am fucking paranoid. But this is the way to go… unless you use coupons from the app which would prove you using it and thus having accepted that you wont make fat stacks suing them.
My point was that they don’t even verify the email address you provide. It can be anyone’s address.
Well… kay point taken
This would make they pay more for a lawsuit in a country that takes consumer protection seriously, lol. Samsung had to pay me 5k(35% to the lawyer) because they refused to deliver a fridge on my apartment. They delayed the delivery, had me hours on hold, insult and tried to fright me whenever they talked to me. The fridge was 4,5k and it got done within 10 months. So good luck to Mac Donald’s.
To anyone else reading this, avoid Samsung appliances because they are total shite
Wtf was their problem to begin with?? What was their business plan? Sell an item and keep it?
Something something they don’t go past the 3rd floor, but my address the whole time was 5th floor. The delivery was 2 weeks late and the delivery guy knocked on my door asking if I was going to carry the fridge, even though I had paid them to do that.
Should’ve been 100k, there were so many times they could’ve NOT done that, and yet they did, and so many people along the chain failed - they were testing what is possible and what they can get away with.
I know a 100% free non EULA way
Let me guess. Is it theft and/or the death of capitalism?
Nah. Cook for yourself. Mic drop.
That’s not free…
Okay where do I get the potatoes for free?
Ground
We gonna need a RV
Have you ever been a successful plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit? Those fries are worth more than you would have gotten.
Resident of Illinois here, I got $450 from Facebook, and $100 from Google for Biometric violations.
I got several thousand dollars from HSBC in a class action suit.
I got $600
I got $4 from Target
Yeesh, all the Americans in this subthread getting 3 or 4 figures back from suits. Us canucks get like, $12 per.
I got $29 from the Intuit class-action suit. Yay. Pretty sure they charged more than that when I submitted my taxes that year. I was dumb.
I’m an American who once got $6 in a class action suit.
Only one I’ve ever been involved in I got 1000+ £
App is shit. Local store made a mistake told me to contact corporate. Corporate told me to talk to local. Eventually was told escalated to tech team. Crickets for two weeks. Had to file dispute with credit card to get my money back.
Uninstalled app and haven’t been back to McDonald’s since. Fuck em. They have shit support and a shit app.
like how the fine print is that you also have to buy something to get free fries
That should be illegal to add this in the ToS
Nah man.
You can just add “If you agree to this ToS, then you are our slave forever” to get free slaves!
Works every time /s
Is getting people to forego their rights for some free chips bribery?
to certain low-socioeconomic peoples, i would say yes
